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    Post what is the dividing line between gazetted and non-gazetted in 6th CPC

    Dear Learned members,
    Will pay commission implementation cell in department of expenditure or any other senior member clarify about the exact dividing line (pay scale) between gazetted and non-gazetted employees of Central Govt. after the implementation of 6th CPC. This is important becasue in some paras 6th CPC upgraded the pay scale of Group B officers (in the department of post and revenue etc.) from 6500-10500 to 7500-12000 corresponding to initial grade of Rs. 4800 and 5400 after completion of 4 years. But this doesn't cover all group B officers. The group B officers below this category equated at par with Non-gazetted employees with grade pay of Rs. 4200/-, but denied the bonus because they are gazetted officers. why this discrepancy.

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    Dear friend
    DoP&T only issued order for classification of posts and not for whether a post will be treated as Gazetted or non Gazetted. It depends on individual departments to declare a post Gazetted or non gazetted based on its own requirement/Recruitment rules. It is however mandatory to declare all Group A post as gazetted. Differenciation can be done in Group B post. As regards Bonus it is true that it is not available to Gazetted post which may be in GP of 4800/- where their counterparts in same GP but non gazetted are entitled for it. It is only destiny my friend. Having Gazetted status is definitely more satisfactory then Rs.3500/- per annum.
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    Dear friend,
    Here the question is not destiny nor the satisfaction with less pay and being called a big officer. Is it not a joke played by the pay commission upon these officers. Such provisions againonly benefit big babos to exploit these small babus to make scape goats for accountability in the name of being gazetted.The status of gazetted and non- gazetted was tied with pay scale much earliar. Why this aspect was deliberately forgotten to include universally to all Group B officers for upgradation rather than SO/PS and equivalent etc. of CSS cadre and others. it is only one among many partisan treatment of matters committed by the pay commission.

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    Dear friend
    With due respect I am to quote that what you are mentioning about CSS people is not introduced after 6th CPC. It was done w.e.f. 1/1/96 and why so much noise this time only. What all Group B(except CSS) officers have done till now i.e. in last 10 years or so. If you think that it is improper, you must go to court for its settlement. Remember this was achieved by several Ministeries for their SO/PS on pattern of CSS on the basis of court orders since this benefit was not allowed across the board.
    Your query though came for different issue has raised another query which can not be sorted out at this forum.
    Jitendra

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    It seems that after enjoying the Gazetted Status for almost a year, when the orders regarding Bonus was issued, they wanted to dump the status for a mere 3500 per annum. This tendency of us, the Govt. Servants is not in good taste. Further, there are many posts which are Gazetted by virtue of some supervisory responsibilities entrusted (though on a smaller number) but with less grade pay. The job requirements, qualifications, work load of these posts may be less and that may be the underlying reason for giving a lesser pay. However, as the person has to head a small unit of 5-10 employees, he may be given gazetted status so that he can communicate with other offices.

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    Dear friend,
    it is not due to less qualifications, experience and work load but they are away from power centres, which is the main criterion for getting higher grade pay in the 6th pay commission. A matriculate who is near the power centre (my friends will better understand whom I mean ) can be eligible for higher grade pay but not a post graduate with some technical qualifications in a isolated/technical/non-cadre posts..

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    Post Is there any formula from anomaly committe to determine anomaly?

    Has the anomaly committee developed any rational (Scientific) formula to determine anomaly for rectification or it is just another 6th CPC to create more and more anomalies. if any one has any inormation please share?

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    respected member,
    It is understood that as of now no anomaly has been given to the anamolies committee by anybody. There is a definition as to what amounts to be an anamoly, which by itself says that there can be no anamoly in pay commission.
    However as regards your question of demarkation of gazetted and nongazetted this problem was prevailing from 5th pay commission itself in case of certain cadres more particularly in ministerial cadres. I can understand that the bonus issue was taken up not due to money mindedness but due to the demeaning that has been given to your cadre. The pay commission had made a rightful decision of granting 4800 to group B cadres based on their work pattern as told by our other member. If you feel that your post carries some importance and responsibility, you can appeal to your Head of department in writing who should in turn take up the matter with the DOPT for amendment of recruitment rules/grade pay for the post. A sample proforma for amendment of recruitment rules has been given in the official website of personnel ministry. India has failed in many instances due to its infighting only so i would appeal to senior member not to differentiate between A & B but go on a larger interest of the nation and organisation.

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    Default The linkage of group B officers upgration and bonus payment is to highlight demeanor

    Dear members,
    The linking of upgradation of Group B officers(granted common GP of 4200) across the board at par with cadre counterparts and bonus payment was only highlighted to show the demeaning attitude of the Govt. towards isolated/technical/non-cadre group B officers, but not to disturd the current previlege of any one. sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by svsankar View Post
    respected member,
    It is understood that as of now no anomaly has been given to the anamolies committee by anybody. There is a definition as to what amounts to be an anamoly, which by itself says that there can be no anamoly in pay commission.
    However as regards your question of demarkation of gazetted and nongazetted this problem was prevailing from 5th pay commission itself in case of certain cadres more particularly in ministerial cadres. I can understand that the bonus issue was taken up not due to money mindedness but due to the demeaning that has been given to your cadre. The pay commission had made a rightful decision of granting 4800 to group B cadres based on their work pattern as told by our other member. If you feel that your post carries some importance and responsibility, you can appeal to your Head of department in writing who should in turn take up the matter with the DOPT for amendment of recruitment rules/grade pay for the post. A sample proforma for amendment of recruitment rules has been given in the official website of personnel ministry. India has failed in many instances due to its infighting only so i would appeal to senior member not to differentiate between A & B but go on a larger interest of the nation and organisation.
    very well said....That should be the course of action from now on gentlemen...

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    Dear,
    Do you really think to work easy with power centres.. Nothing you would get easily, forget about qualifcation, analyse about the method of recruitment and the routes from which the cadre has arisen, the work load and accountability, court decisions.. every thing matters, you can fight for your cadre, but not at the cost of disgracing others, right!

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