Only section officers and private secretaries are Group B officers?

[prasmita]

6th pay commission upgraded and placed the Section officers and private secretaries in pre-revised scale of 7500-12000 and granted non- functional grade after the completion 4 years service and placed them in the pay scale 8000-13500 in PB-3. why this has not been extended to the other group B gazetted officers who are equivalent to section officers and private secretaries by virtue of being gazetted.
If there is no difference between gazetted and non- gazetted i.e 5000-8000, 5500-9000, 6500-10500 (Assistants) and 6500-10500 (Gazetted)posts why they should be gazetted.
Therefore the provision relating to section officers and private secretaries should be extended uniformly to all Group B Gazetted officers who are recruited directly through the UPSC by treating all of them as equivalent. A clarification by the implementation cell, department of expenditure may please be given at the earliest.

Sampathirao Prabhakar Rao
Health Education officer, Central Health Education Bureau

[coolgoose2]

Hi Pramitaji

We have to take some recommendations of the VI CPC with a pinch of salt. It appears that only two cadres have no complaints against the recommendations of the VI CPC. IAS and CSS SOs. CSS SOs, obviously benefited as they were close to their IAS masters. You can imagine these people at thick of things in this Commission from the time of forming itself and they saw to it that their requirements are catered to.

Some of us have to take RTI route and approach CAT/High Court to unearth all papers relating to this Commission and analyse the Commission's each viewpoint with regard to adherence or otherwise of Fundamental Right of Equality. We have probably 10 years for doing it..

Regards



PS: there is a saying in Malayalam: Vazha nanayumbol cheerayum nanayum. Meaning: When you water Plantain, Palak(which is usually planted near the plantain), will also get some water.

[sundarar]

Dear Sir,

There may be one more cadre, viz. Assistant Accountants of Organised accounts cadre, whose scale of pay was getting replaced with a new old scale on every pay commission.

1400-2600 replaced as 5500-9000 from 1.1.1986
5500-9000 replaced as 6500-10500 from 1.1.1996
6500-10500 replaced as 7500-12000 from 1.1.2006

Parity in Pension is being requested by one and all pensioners. In the same way, parity in pay bands of identical cadres corresponding to respective
pre-revised scales/posts, also now has to be requested by all concerned.

Best regards.

[sundarar]

The IV Pay Commission Pay Scale of Rs.1400-2600 in respect of Stenographers was initially replaced in the year 1997 with a scale of pay of Rs.1640-2900 with retrospective effect from 1.1.1986 with arrears to accrue from July 1993.

In respect of Assistant Accountants who were also earlier drawing the same scale of 1400-2600 from 1.1.86 on par with the Stenographers was revised to 1640-2900 from 1.12.95 and the corresponding pay scale of 5500-9000 from 1.1.96, in the year 1998.

To remove discriminatory treatment among different categories of employees the replacement scale of 1640-2900 was given in the year 2003/2004 to Asst. Accountants also from 1.1.1986 in comparison with Stenographers with arrears to accrue from DECEMBER 1990.

Subsequently the said scale of 5500-9000 for Asst. Accountants was upgraded further to 6500-10500 from 1.1.1996.

At present the said Asst. Accountants are upgraded to a pay scale of Rs.7450-11500 from 1.1.2006.

Whereas, the case of Stenograpahers, with whom the case of Asst. Accountants was compared as equally placed category with regard to the scale 1640-2900, has never undergone any change till the 6th Pay Commission. The arrears also in their case was to accrue only from 1993, as against 1990 in the case of Asst. Accountants. The Asst. Accountants who were attempting to be on par with the pay scale of 1986 of their counterparts ie. Stenographers, have so far seen two scale revision in every 10 years. But the Stenographers were put on still from 1986 onwards with no scale revision, but only pay revision to the corresponding equivalent revised pay structure in both the pay commission. My question here is whether discriminatory treatment among different categories equally placed, has finally been removed at all?

Best regards.

[jitendraacr]

Dear friends
Ministerial Cadre had a certain edge since the formation of Government of India. Post of Assistants and Section Officer in Min Cadre were Group B posts since its inseption but this is not the case for other posts in same pay scales. All other posts were upgraded to Group B much later. The pay scales of Min Cadre posts were also higher then others till 4th pay commission. I think there is nothing wrong to place Section officers in PB-3 after 4 years of service while the other similar posts in PB-2.
Moreover two posts in different cadres can not becompared only on the basis of similar pay scales. Every cadre has different structure/selection process/skills and pay scales are determined on these basis only. Comparision can be done with in a cadre and not else.
These are my views and I do not want to hurt any one on this issue. I may or may not be wrong on this issue and therefore I apologize if I disrespect any one.
regards

[badri mannargudi]

Dear friends,
Shri Jjee's views are reasonble to some extent. (Perhaps this is the first occassion that my learned friend has fallen short of accuracy.)
But the question is, Suplerintendents of Central Excise and Customs/Income Tax Officers of the Revenue Department,who are Group B Officers right from the date of assuming charge in that post and were in Pre Rev scale of 7500.
They are now granted 5400 Grade Pay after 4 years. But still they are kept in PB 2 only. As if adding insult to injury, the CPC Report as well as the Rules say that such Officer, even on getting prompotion to Asst Commissoner will be in PB 2. If and only if they get their third ACP(which hopefully most of the Direct Recruit Inspectors should get) may they go to the PB 3 since 6600 GP is not found in PB2.
As an aside, Shri Jjee may be informed that Inspectors of the said two departments are put at GP of 4200. These officers were in Pre Rev scale of 6500.

With Regards,
Badri.

[jitendraacr]

Dear Sir

Pay scale of Rs.7450/- to Inspectors of both these units is definitely on the way and I am sure they will get it without much delay. there are geniune reasons for this upgradation and it can not be denied by any one any more. It may not be appropriate to put three posts in same cadre in similar grade pay. This injustice can be seen from naked eyes. If authrities denied it, court will give it for sure. These people should get what they deserved as they earn most of the revenues for government. How can they be denied the small benefit. But comparision with any other cadre is not proper on any ground.

[sandy]

The anomaly of giving only section officers of accounts/secretarial service of Gp 'B' gazetted a higher gradepay of 5400 after 4years of service in old scale of 7500-250-12000 is some thing peculiar.The Group 'B' technical cadre in our dept is also affected by this order. I feel this anomaly should be taken up with anomaly committee or else fight for equal rights through CAT.

[sundarar]

Dear friends
Ministerial Cadre had a certain edge since the formation of Government of India. Post of Assistants and Section Officer in Min Cadre were Group B posts since its inseption but this is not the case for other posts in same pay scales. All other posts were upgraded to Group B much later. The pay scales of Min Cadre posts were also higher then others till 4th pay commission. I think there is nothing wrong to place Section officers in PB-3 after 4 years of service while the other similar posts in PB-2.
Moreover two posts in different cadres can not becompared only on the basis of similar pay scales. Every cadre has different structure/selection process/skills and pay scales are determined on these basis only. Comparision can be done with in a cadre and not else.
These are my views and I do not want to hurt any one on this issue. I may or may not be wrong on this issue and therefore I apologize if I disrespect any one.
regards

Dear Sir,

I agree with you. No need to regret from your side as you are putting the matters straight. It is observed that some PSEs following central pay scales, where employees from Govt. Department is absorbed, have been granting arrears from 1.1.1996 with the approval of the Competent Authority - which may mean `the Board of Directors', on promotion to a post having equivalent scale of pay in the pre-revised structure to the Asst. Accountants. The most influencial cadre of the day is Asst. Accountants, it appears. The reason for the same is not known to me. The CAG may like to look into this to bring if everything in this regard is not in order. I am also not aware whether the Hon. Courts which granted replacement scale of 1640-2900 to bring uniformity with Steno cadre, for Asst. Accountants have been kept informed with the further developments. I want to indicate a specific case of an Assistant accountant who got the scale of 6500-10500 w.e.f. 1.1.1996 and got promoted to another post carrying same scale of pay is given notional increment under FR22I(a)(1) and arrears also given with retrospective effect from the date of that promotion. Similarly, an Asst. Accountant of 6500-10500 scale after 1.1.1996 promoted to an administrative post with the same scale subsequently, has been given fitment benefits on promotion by applying an anology that neither posts are lesser to each other, whereas, a person belonging to Steno grade in the scale of 6500-10500 and got promoted to the same administrative post with the same scale, has been denied application of the same analogy on par with similarly placed assistant accountants. Such specialised treatments to one particular grade only raising our eyebrows.

However, it may please be noted that on introduction of replacement scale of Rs.1640-2900 for Sr. Stenographers who were holding the scale of Rs.1400-2600 w.e.f. 1.1.1986, the Asst. Accountants approached the Hon. Hight Court for parity and the Hon. High Court also had observed that parity among similarly placed cadres shall be maintained. Thus, the replacement scale of Rs.1640-2900 for AAs also was granted subsequently from 1.1.1986. Thereafter only the AAs were given further replacement scales of Rs.6500-10500 (2000-3200) from 1.1.1996 and now PB 2 with GP 4800 (7500-12000) whereas, the similary placed cadre of Sr. Stenographers of past time, were holding the corresponding revised scale of PB2 with GP 4200 from 1.1.2006 and 5500-9000(1640-2900) from 1.1.1996. In respect of Sr. Stenographers who had initially replaced with 1640-2900 from 1.1.1986 have only got the corresponding revised scale in subsequent CPCs. The parity aspect is conveniently ignored and that is what we want to emphasise by comparing Sr. Stenographers with AAs. As such, the stenographers cadre is becoming a dying cadre and hence there is no takers for their cause. If Organised Accounts cadre can be taken care, the similarly placed organised CSSS/steno cadre also ought to have been taken care.
This is just for information purpose only please.
I have seen that some of our friends have already knocked the legal doors.
Let us see one day the things will be put straight fully.
Best Regards.
Sundarar.

[prasmita]

I totally disagree with the sentiments raised by the learneed friend. because of such sentiments only The part B and C of successive pay commissions become back door entry doors for lobbyist individuals/cadres to /squeeze snatch more at the cost of hapless others. definitely these are biasive and created more problems than answers. if it so fair why only certain posts/cadres gets successive upgradations and not others? e.g., the assistants, central excise and income tax inspectors and still they want more. the nurses, teachers and pharmacists. their scales were so less before 30 years than others so they need successive pay upgradations to compensate.
The problem is with the pay commssions not doing their work in a matured professional manner. When they have given the responsibility of deciding the pay scales of a large number of employees they should have a definite formula based on scientific reason to fit each post, grade categorry in to it rather than giving into lobbies. wherever, possible they should generalise their decisions rather than restricting narrowing e.g., instead of giving upgradations to all Group B officers acorss the board, dividing them into ministerial, cadre, nearness to power centres and technical, non-cadre, isolated (untouchble) posts. The anamoly committees also function in the same manner and they don't listen these sections. The functioning of our pay commissions reflects our feudal mindset. we should go a long way to get full democracy. the pay commissions, the govt. should work towards reducing the social inequalities and not to increazse them. these social inequlities can be great disastrous and may breed and trigger social unrest in the long run.