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    Junior Member gdd is on a distinguished road
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    Default Pay & Allowances during child care leave

    I'd like to know about the pay and allowances that can be availed during child care leave. There's a lot of confusion whether women employees will be paid grade pay, DA, HRA and TA during CCL. Please clarify.

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    Default Pay & Allowances during child care leave

    In my view the Transport Allowance may not be paid, as the individual does not commute to Office & back during CCL. Other entitlements that were applicable during maternity leave, may be allowed.

    According to me, like paternity leave, the child care leave in some proportion can be considered for male employees also, particularly during the initial period of first child upto the age of three years.

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    Question Ccl

    Like mother, father has also responisibility in the child care especially when the baby hood stage is over. Since CCL is admissible till 18 years of age, in traetment, study etc. father is more involved than mother in many cases. So. CCL should invariouby be made elible to male employees also irrespective of the age of child upto which it is admissible now. The presence of parents (both) is in fact inevitable in studies of children and of course it has great implact on it and hence both men and women eployees are to be made eligible for CCL.

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    Default child care leave and father of the child

    In most of the cases, it may be mother whose presence would make the child more assuring and caring than, the child's father.

    Secondly, para 4.7.4 (pagae 277)of the CPC Report may be read. The para shows that the commission was requested for leave for father, too. It appears that the Commission has recommended this facility only to woman ( in order to encourage more women would take up public employment(Govt Jobs )- this is apparant from para 4.7.5 (para 278).

    As can be seen from the aforemade observations, it appears the facility is intended to attract support from female G.S only.

    May be some time in future the Govt may consider the case of Father, too, in this regard.

    One good thing in this scheme is that even mother with more than 2 children is eligible.(Ofcourse, the leave would be restricted to the first two children only).
    Even single women should be encouraged to adopt children by extending child care leave to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badri mannargudi View Post
    In most of the cases, it may be mother whose presence would make the child more assuring and caring than, the child's father.

    Secondly, para 4.7.4 (pagae 277)of the CPC Report may be read. The para shows that the commission was requested for leave for father, too. It appears that the Commission has recommended this facility only to woman ( in order to encourage more women would take up public employment(Govt Jobs )- this is apparant from para 4.7.5 (para 278).

    As can be seen from the aforemade observations, it appears the facility is intended to attract support from female G.S only.

    May be some time in future the Govt may consider the case of Father, too, in this regard.

    One good thing in this scheme is that even mother with more than 2 children is eligible.(Ofcourse, the leave would be restricted to the first two children only).
    Even single women should be encouraged to adopt children by extending child care leave to them.

    No comparison between a father and mother in the name of Child care leave. Always, Mother is the best care taker at any point of age of her children. There is no doubt. Thus, the encouragement for women to take up public employment is a welcoming measure. Our request is that the analogy applied for granting Paternity Leave for Father, can be applied in the case of child care leave also to the corresponding extent.

    Further, with the concern for women employees' physical well being at the age of 50 or 55 years by which time, they may have to take care of grand children also, is require to be seen with utmost consideration. While encouraging more women to take up public employment, there needs to be a similar thinking to see them off with more attractive golden hand shake-Voluntary Retirement Schme, (which even the Pay Commission had suggested in their Report for all employees, but not accepted to) exclusively for women considering their health aspects at the last 5/10years service of the date of superannuation..This too can be left to the concerned employee's option. This is only a suggestion in the interest of aged women employees, and it shall be viewed accordingly.

    Best Regards.

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    Default Child Care Leave

    It is highly ridiculous providing leave for two years with salary for the mother. Instead of protesting against this policy, asking leave for father is another tragedy. Non one have self conscious to earn money for their work. Sitting idle and getting money is a sin. Even God won't forgive the persons who are taking bread without hardwork. If anyone want India to become a developed country they won't think and implement these type of ideas.

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    Smile Child Care Leave

    You get Leave salary as in other cases like EM and ML. Incase Child care Leave is availed in such a way that you attend office even one day in the month you will get the full transport allowance. e.g. if you are on child case leave fron 10Oct 08 to 29 Nov 08, you will get Leave salary on (BP+GP)+(DA+HRA){as on 10 oct 08} + (Full transport allwance for October and November).

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    Default child care leave

    Some of our members are very generous and kind regarding the child care leave. Some members have given astonishing remarks especially denial of leave. In Government organisations no body is waiting for approval of leave from superior officers.All leaves are taken according to the wish of the officers. Law may say leave is not the matter of right. But in daily routine all leaves are taken freely. Even if the department denied the leave in future, the concerned person will not come to office until she want to come to office. If the officer goes to court, she will win the case by citing the Government order that she can take leave upto two years. So, denial of leave in Indian Government offices is only mockery. So, Government should bring some rectifications in the order. The two years leave should be reduced to one year and should be without salary and it should be implemented only to children upto 5 years old not upto 18 years.

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    I am of the view that office exigencies shall be kept in front of personal comfort. Again in spite of denial, if a person proceeding on leave, and even after winning he has to work in the same office. But, as far as my experience, we get approval first before proceeding on leave. We don't vacate in the name of right. We see that the office also understands our position, and in case of genuine reasons, office only can come to the rescue in difficult circumstances. Leave is not there just for availing as it is available. It shall be better utilised on needy circumstances. It is applicable for any type of leave, even c.l. If our office knows about our attitude and behaviour, there may not be any denial unreasonably. What may be expected from the office ultimately, instead of this week or this time, they may suggest alternate so that both the purpose can be resolved. Both sides if gives patience hearing and application of mind, there can be no reason why and how a leave could be denied. If at all a leave is denied finally, there must be some justifying reasons, which the concerned office/authority only may know. One has put him in the other man's shoes and think of his position. we shall demonstrate and set good precedences in the official life so that one can be remembered even when he is not there in the office.

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    Friends

    Wait, govt is considering to impose some restriction on it. It may perhaps be allowed to those only who have exhausted their EL and HPL and not to all those who want to take it just for leave.

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    Exclamation Child care Leave

    I beg to differ from my learned friend, Jitenderjee.
    There can not be any such restriction (of availability only in the absence of credit of other kinds of leave) for the simple reason, that almost every employee will be finding it difficult to avail herself of the leave, making the facility a mere offer on paper.
    For the sake of argument, if the restrictions are made on the lines suggested by Jitenderjee, then, after exhausting child care leave, the individual will be left with no leave?!
    Yes, there may be some restriction on minimum/maximum amount of leave at a time may be stipulated, so that the office work may not be hindered and the Head of the Department may have some room for planning work distribution, in case more than one employee goes on CCL.
    With warm regards,
    Last edited by badri mannargudi; 12-11-2008 at 08:52 PM. Reason: to rectify some grammatical error

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    Smile Entitlements during child care leave

    Quote Originally Posted by gdd View Post
    I'd like to know about the pay and allowances that can be availed during child care leave. There's a lot of confusion whether women employees will be paid grade pay, DA, HRA and TA during CCL. Please clarify.
    The Thread started with regard to entitlements and got diverted midway.
    With regard to restriction aspects, I fully agree with Shri Jitendarjee.
    Let us imagine a situation where a female employee had already exhausted her leave during her delivery time, etc. In such cases, the child care leave is in fact a God's Gift. On the contrary, if another female employee already has sufficient leave balance, it is quite natural that as and when she looses her balance, she can better utilise the Child care leave provided the children are below 18 years. Any restriction also has the interest of the concerned employee. Similarly leave denial also in some cases happened to be in the interest of the employee only. Why we are having restriction on PF Advance and Withdrawal. Because, it will come handy one day or the other day.
    Let us have positive approach. Such restrictions in reality are going to help the employees not to exhaust all available leave and go on loss of pay.
    Even if an employee exhuasted all her leave, and even after availing child care leave may be in single spell, she will be left with 60 days EL that were earned by her during her child care leave (If I am not correct, I prefer to stand corrected in this aspect).

    Therefore, the entire issue in this regard may have to be left with woman employees, who may be the better judge in their own case. As far as ourselves is concerned, there are so many issues waiting for our attention.
    We may focus on the same to get timely response from the concerned authorities.

    Best Regards.

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    Friends,

    It appears some OM/order is issued regardng the child care leave which includes that who have EL cannot avail this leave and this leave also only with the sanction from the controlling officer.

    Will someone give the link for the same. It seems the Order is place in the normal finmin or pib site as was the case earlier.

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    Dear friend

    You may see the website persmin.nic.in. Clarification has been issued and is also posted by me in main forum.

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    Question clarification on ''earned leave"

    I'm working in Rlys. Regarding clarification on CCL, the order says that the employee should not have earned leave at credit. Is ''leave on half-average pay" also included in earned leave. The terminology for leave in Rlys is LAP(Leave on Average Pay) & LHAP.(15 days & 10 days credited every 6 months respectively). Our PB sources are not clear about this. Please enlighten.
    Last edited by gdd; 21-11-2008 at 08:52 AM.

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    Exclamation half pay leave remains untouched

    Dear gddjee

    They have specifically talked about Earned Leave only. This means only full leave earned, that is Earned Leave which is done by crediting 15 days on Jan 1st and 1st July.
    The nomenclature mentioned in query under reference i( namely LAP)s only varient of Earned Leave. So the condition of first exhausting EL would apply only to this kind of leave.( 30 days a year)
    With regards,
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