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    Sir, I am Murali, working in Central Govt, autonomous organisation. My pay in the Month of May 2011, was 16190 +Grade Pay 4600= 20790 (in the pay band of 9300-34500)

    During June 2011, I was appointed (through advt. and selection committee) in same organisation in the pay of 15600-39100 with Grade Pay of 5400/-. I opted that that my Pay is fixed in the month of July, because I will get increment in the month of July 2011 by protecting my pay. Can any body clarify what is my pay in the month of July 2011?

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    FR 22(1) shall be applicable

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    Thank you very much for your valuable reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKPATHAK View Post
    FR 22(1) shall be applicable
    The pay in pay band shall remain at 16190+GP 5400 wef June 2011 i.e. DOJ at new post. DNI will be 01.7.2012. Option to choose date of Fixation of pay from DNI is not admissible in case of Direct recruitment.

    Hence pay shall be as under:
    May 2011 : Rs. 16190+4600
    June 2011 on appointment to PB-3GP 5400 : Rs. 16190+5400
    DNI : 01.7.2012

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    Sir thank you verymuch for your reply. But I am working in the same organisation and joined in the same orginisation with higher post. So what about my increment for the month of July 2011, thts why I opted pay fixation for July 2011, so that I will get July 2011 increment in old pay by protecting my pay. Pl clarify

    Murali

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    You are entitled to get the benefit of pay protection. Your action is right. Represent in an appropriate way

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    PATHAK saab thank you verymuch for your promt repli

    With regards

    Murali

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknannapaneni View Post
    Sir, I am Murali, working in Central Govt, autonomous organisation. My pay in the Month of May 2011, was 16190 +Grade Pay 4600= 20790 (in the pay band of 9300-34500)

    During June 2011, I was appointed (through advt. and selection committee) in same organisation in the pay of 15600-39100 with Grade Pay of 5400/-. I opted that that my Pay is fixed in the month of July, because I will get increment in the month of July 2011 by protecting my pay. Can any body clarify what is my pay in the month of July 2011?
    As per FR 22(1)(a)(1) the option of fixation from the date of increment in the old scale is not available in the case of Direct Recruitment to another post. However, you are enttiled to pay fixation from the date of appointment in GP 5400. You are therefore entitled to a 3% increment and change in grade pay to 5400 w.e.f. date of appointment in June 2011. The date of next increment will be 1st July 2012.

    Victor

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    Sir thank you very much for your propmt reply. But what abou my Pay Protection

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    Sir thank you very much for your propmt reply. But what abou my Pay Protection and July 2011 increment either new or old pay. Pl clarify

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    Victor Saab, thank you very much for your propmt reply. But what abou my Pay Protection and July 2011 increment either new or old pay. Pl clarify

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    Victor

    Originally Posted by mknannapaneni
    Sir, I am Murali, working in Central Govt, autonomous organisation. My pay in the Month of May 2011, was 16190 +Grade Pay 4600= 20790 (in the pay band of 9300-34500)

    During June 2011, I was appointed (through advt. and selection committee) in same organisation in the pay of 15600-39100 with Grade Pay of 5400/-. I opted that that my Pay is fixed in the month of July, because I will get increment in the month of July 2011 by protecting my pay. Can any body clarify what is my pay in the month of July 2011?




    As per FR 22(1)(a)(1) the option of fixation from the date of increment in the old scale is not available in the case of Direct Recruitment to another post. However, you are enttiled to pay fixation from the date of appointment in GP 5400. You are therefore entitled to a 3% increment and change in grade pay to 5400 w.e.f. date of appointment in June 2011. The date of next increment will be 1st July 2012.

    Victor
    However, the reply in following thread is litle different:

    http://gconnect.in/forums/showthread...3624#post13624
    Kindly refer to Clarification No. 3 of OM dated 29.1.2009 (http://finmin.nic.in/6cpc/fno1108dt290109.pdf).

    As per this clarification, FR 22(I)(a)(i) still holds good and that the only modification that has taken place after CCS(RP) Rules, 2008 is the "method of pay fixation". So the other provisions of FR 22(I)(a)(i) are still applicable and in my view Shri Murali would also be entitled to a 3% hke in the band pay on his appointment on DR basis.

    However, clarity can only come after DOPT issues the notification of revised FR 22. It is unfortunate that even after 3 years of CCS(RP) Rules, 2008, DOPT is yet to come out with the modified FR 22.


    Sir, with due regards,

    please indicate if FR22 (I)a(i) still holds good in view of MOF clarification dated 29.1.2009, whether
    a. 3% hike should be allowed and if so,
    b. whether the option to choose date of fication of pay from DNI also persists.


    Regards, Hardeep

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    Hardeep Saab, thank you very much for your propmt reply. But what abou my Pay Protection and July 2011 increment either new or old pay. Pl clarify

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    Dear Mr. Murali,

    As of now,whati udner stand is that in view of yuors being DR, your pay should stand protected at Rs. 16190 with GP 5400 in PB-3.
    And next increment shall accrue in DNI : 01.7.2012.

    Thats how i posted my comments that u joined in June 2011, in PB-3 GP5400 and ucould have also waited to join after 01 July 2011, thereby getting increment in last basic and getting new GP of Rs. 5400 wef 02.07.2011.

    I wait Sh. Victor's and other comments

    Regards,

    Hardeep

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    Hardeep Saab, thank you very much for your propmt reply.

    I opted that that my Pay is fixed in the month of July,

    I have given joining report as follows:

    Sub: Pay Fixation - Reg
    Ref: Office Order No: 3(4)/17/84-Estt./7189 dated 20th June 2011

    With reference to the above Office Order, I kindly submit you sir that my pay may be fixed as per rules from 1st July 2011 onwards, considering date of increment due on 01-07-2011, in the earlier post


    Submitted for kind perusal and consideration Please


    Pl clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknannapaneni View Post
    Sir thank you very much for your propmt reply. But what abou my Pay Protection and July 2011 increment either new or old pay. Pl clarify
    Pay has already been protected as you will be getting 3% hike on your old band pay. The option of fixation from the date of increment in the lower scale (i.e. from 1.7.2011) is not available under the present rules.

    Victor

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    Kindly note that as per Rule 15 of CCS(RP) 2008 the provisions of FR&SR are overriden "to the extent they are inconsistent with these rules".

    So FR&SR is still applicable except where it has been specifically modified by the CCS(RP) Rules, 2008 and the clarifications issued by MOF/DOPT.

    In this context kindly refer to to Clarification No. 3 of OM dated 29.1.2009 (http://finmin.nic.in/6cpc/fno1108dt290109.pdf).

    As per this clarification, FR 22(I)(a)(i) still holds good and that the only modification that has taken place after CCS(RP) Rules, 2008 is the "method of pay fixation". So the other provisions of FR 22(I)(a)(i) are still applicable and in my view Shri Murali would also be entitled to a 3% hke in the band pay on his appointment on DR basis.

    However, the option of fixation from the date of increment in the old scale is NOT available in the case of Direct Recruitment to another post, and this provision still stands.

    So in a nutshell the "formula" of pay fixation prescribed under FR 22(I)(a)(i) has only changed and rest of the clauses remain as it is.

    However, clarity can only come after DOPT comes out with the revised FR 22. It is unfortunate that even after 3 years of CCS(RP) Rules, 2008, DOPT is yet to come out with the modified FR 22.

    Victor

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    Thank you Victor Saab for your promt reply. As per your reply I am eligible for pay of 16190 +3 percent increment + and Grade Pay 5400 (16190+490+5400= 22080) in June 2011 itself, then next increment will be July 2012. Am I correct, Pl clarify?

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    Veraich Saab, thank you very much for your prompt reply.

    I opted that that my Pay is fixed in the month of July,

    I have given joining report as follows:

    Sub: Pay Fixation - Reg
    Ref: Office Order No: 3(4)/17/84-Estt./7189 dated 20th June 2011

    With reference to the above Office Order, I kindly submit you sir that my pay may be fixed as per rules from 1st July 2011 onwards, considering date of increment due on 01-07-2011, in the earlier post


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    But what about my Pay Protection and July 2011 increment either new or old pay. Pl clarify



    Pl clarify

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknannapaneni View Post
    Thank you Victor Saab for your promt reply. As per your reply I am eligible for pay of 16190 +3 percent increment + and Grade Pay 5400 (16190+490+5400= 22080) in June 2011 itself, then next increment will be July 2012. Am I correct, Pl clarify?
    Yes you are correct. Please refer to my earlier post at #8.

    Victor

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