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Thread: Injustice to pre-2006 pensioners in old s-29 & 30 scales(18400-22400 & 22400-24500)

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    Dear segments of pre 2006 pensioners affected by the MPB issue/ others interested,

    After some delay in anticipation, we are happy to realise that the Govt./ DOPPW have at last issued the orders for stepping up the revised pension of pre 2006 pensioners superceding the om of 1st sept 2008 issued by the DOPPW.

    This OM is issued today 28 01 2013 by DOPPW and in effect it is the correct scpc modified parity having nexue to the fitment tables provided with the RP RULES 2008 issued by the MOF/DOE on 30 Aug 2008.

    It is christened as minimum guaranteed pension as was done for the pre 2006 military retd com officers recently.

    The OM covers all the pre 2006 pensioners of all pay scales , but actual benefit may be only to those who are affected. May be in 8 scales- that too among those who have not earned say 4 to 8 increments in their pre-revised pay scales!

    I shall post the copy of the OM soon here. (SINCE THE GCONNECT ADMINISTRATOR HIMSELF HAS POSTED IT AS PER POST APPEARING BELOW THIS, IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR ME TO REPEAT)

    I thank all those in this blog site and the adminitrators of gconnect.in who have been a great support to me in this struggle for truth and justice.

    Battle is won- war shall continue. Heaps of injustice can not be wiped out with a meagre order of an arbitrary date of effect as 24 09 2012 instead of 1 1 2006.

    Warm regards,

    vnatarajan
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    Thumbs up Happy news to Pre-2006 Pensioners - Pension enhanced as per fitment table of CG Emp

    It's really a happy news to pre-2006 pensioners.

    Pension of Pre-2006 Pensioners enhanced as per revised Concordance Table meant for linking pre-1996, Pre-2006 Pay Scales. Concordance Table revised on the basis of 6CPC revised pay fitment table applicable to Post 2006 Central Government Employees

    Read this GConnect article for more details

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    Hearty Congrats to all for the latest order issued by GOI. My query is - what should the basic pension be for a s-29 grade officer with 22400 basic at retirement and greater than 33 years of service?

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    Congrats to all Pre-2006 pensioners!. Special congrats to Sh Natarajan for his untiring efforts and success.
    G Ramdas

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    Dear VN JI and Ramdas Ji

    My congratulations to all pre 2006 pensioners,

    The orders of 28th jan are welcome no doubt,

    thanks to the efforts of VN Ji.

    There is still a lot which needs to be addressed of course ,

    a) the date of implementation,

    b) the LPD or Last Pay Drawn in the 5th CPC or earlier has not been taken into consideration at all,
    The gazette notification nor the 29th August 2008 Letter no where specifies
    pension should be fixed based on the minimum of the relevant Fitment Tables

    c) The LPD should be fixed at the appropriate stage in the appropriate Fitment Tables
    for each of the employees and then pension and family pension arrived at.

    d) The formula for family pension is 30% of LPD and not Repeat not 30% of the minimum pay
    in the relevant fitment table.

    e) To arrive at the correct family pension the LPD should be fixed at the appropriate stage in
    the relevant fitment tables for each of the pre 2006 pensioners .

    VN Ji's comments are also solicited

    ybr
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    i was interested in knowing what members here felt about paying tax till all issues were resolved to the satisfaction of esteemed members here.

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    We have to follow what the Income Tax Act and its rules say about paying tax. We have no choice! Our feelings have no value nor they can make an impact on the Finance Minister who is the king of the treasury. No exceptions to rules unless we choose to "EVADE' which many "iNTENTIONAL NON-PAYEES" do! -
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    Thanks Shri YB,

    My answers:

    a) the date of implementation: DHC HEARING ON 29 APRIL 2013/ UP HC HEARING ON 6 MARCH 2013 ARE TO BE WATCHED. HON P & HC IN THEIR JUDGMENT ON 21 12 2012 HAVE ALREADY ORDERED THE DOIMPLEMENTATION SHD BE 1 1 2006 PLUS ARREARS AT 6% ETC FOR HARYANA CIVIL PENSIONERS WHO HAVE NO "PAY COMMISSIONS'" BUT FOLLOW THE CG GUIDELINES/ RULES TO MAKE THEIR OWN RULES.

    GOVT KNOWS WHAT IS IN STORE FOR THEM- IF THEY DONT FORESEE THE OUTCOME , THEY SHALL HAV TO PAY ARREARS WEF 1 1 2006 AND INTEREST ON THE SAME FROM 3 2 2012.


    b) the LPD or Last Pay Drawn in the 5th CPC or earlier has not been taken into consideration at all,
    The gazette notification nor the 29th August 2008 Letter no where specifies
    pension should be fixed based on the minimum of the relevant Fitment Tables

    SHD HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY VCPC RETIREES WELL IN TIME. OUR CASE AND THE CURRENT OUTCOME IS MORE RELATED TO "MINIMUM ENTITLED PENSION" ONLY.
    HOW CAN GAZETTE NOTIFICATION WHICH WAS NOTIFIED ON 28 AUG 2008 MENTUON ABOUT A "FITMENT TABLE" WHICH SAW THE LIGHT OF THE DAY ONLY ON "29 AUG 2008" (ONE DAY LATER) AND THIS IS THE "WISOM OF BABUDOM" WHO UTILISE THE "LOOPHOLE TECHNOLOGY" VERY WELL!

    c) The LPD should be fixed at the appropriate stage in the appropriate Fitment Tables
    for each of the employees and then pension and family pension arrived at.

    CORRECT. BUT WHY VCPC / OLD PENSIONERS DID NOT FIGHT THIS ISSUE WELL IN TIME? WE HAVE LOST MUCH CONTROL ON "LPD BASIS" BECAUSE OF THE ENTRENCHED "MINIMUM OF THE PAY IN THE REVISED PAY SCALE WRT THE SCALE OF PAY OF THE POST LAST HELD BY THE PENSIONER" - HOWEVER THIS ISSUE IS VERY MUCH IN MY AGENDA/ AGENDA OF LIKE NINDEED PAST PENSIONERS- BUT WE NEED A HUGE COPUS TO FIGHT THE LEGAL BATTLE- I HAVE THE MINDSET AND WILL/ SUPPORT AND STRENGTH TO TAKE UP THE CHALLENGE. RECENT P & HARYANA HC JUDGMENT OF 21 12 2012 AND THE HON SC JUDGMENT OF 17 01 2013 ARE REFRESHING AND THEY LAY A VERY STRONG FOUNDATION FOR THIS APPROACH.

    d) The formula for family pension is 30% of LPD and not Repeat not 30% of the minimum pay
    in the relevant fitment table.

    NOT SURE. I BELIEVE IT IS ALSO MINIMUM BASED. SHRI SUNDARAR MAY COMMENT PLEASE, IF HE READS SO.

    e) To arrive at the correct family pension the LPD should be fixed at the appropriate stage in
    the relevant fitment tables for each of the pre 2006 pensioners .

    RELATED TO (D) ABOVE.

    Regards,
    vnatarajan

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    I am getting confused as it was my understanding that a pensioner who retired before a Pay Commission Award will have Pension reworked on the basis of Formula prescribed (2.26 in case of Sixth Pay Commission). Such Pension would however be stepped up to the M.A.P. level if it is lower than 50% of the minimum of pay of the grade from which the officer had retired. If however the case is to continuously rework pension of an officer keeping in mind the stage in which the officer had retired from, then it is a separate issue. I would like to know what is exactly our contention.
    Incidentally the 28th January circular is badly drafted. It talks of stepping up of Pension without explaining why the concerned circular was not put in force in the first place. i dont know whether ca case for arrear will be raise during the cases that will be heard during the year

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    Why this doubt late in the day?

    Whole issue is THE MAIN SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS THREAD RIGHT FROM DAY ONE!

    You are right.

    Reg OM being badly drafted, the baudom's wisdom is obvuous as they DID NOT WANT TO DEVIATE FROM THE EARLIER MOD'D ORDERS FOR PRE 2006 RETD COM OFFICERS WHICH IN TURN WAS BASED ON DOESMW OF MOD' NOTE TO CABINET AND SO HAD TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE SAME TO FIX THE IMPKEMENTATION DATE AS 24 09 2012.

    So let us waait DHC verdic or UP HC lkno bench verdict soon in the offing ....

    vnatarajan

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    Does the GOI Circular F No 38/3708-P&PN(A)

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    Default Circular of February 13

    Does the circular 38/37/08 P&PA of February 13 have any implication regarding pension of pre-2006 retirees?

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    Yes pl.

    DOPPW has clearly given the mandate to the concerned imcluding the PAOs to revise the pension of affected pre 2006 pensioners wrt the MINIMUM GUARNTEED PENSION (MGP) instead of the MPB based pension / and in accordance with the Fitment Tables of MOF's Om dt 30 08 2008 ( also attached in the form of a Concordance Table with the OM of 13 02 2013) in their OMs dt 28 01 2013 an later one dt 13 02 2013.

    So it fulfils our demand partially- though given a new nomemclature like MGP- but date of effect is 24 09 2013 instead of 1 1 2006.

    THE OM CONCERNS ONLY THE PRE 2006 PENSIONERS' SEGMENT AFFECTED BY THE SCPC MOD APRITY ISSUE FOR WHICH THIS THREAD WAS THRIVING TO SPREAD AWARENESS AGAINST THE INJUSTICE METED OUT BY THE AUTHORITIES - REDUCING UNAUTHORISEDLY THE MPPB BASED REVISED PENSION CORRESPONDING TO PRE-REVISED PAY SCALE OF THE POST FROM WHICH PENSIONER RETIRED TO THE MPB BASED REVISED PENSION IRRESPECTIVE OF SUCH PRE REVISED PAY SCALES!!!

    Hope this is clear now.

    VN
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    Default Pension based on LPD or Last Pay Drawn for Pre-2006 pensioners.

    Dear Shri.VN Ji,

    Every order for Pre-2006 pensioners talks about minimum pension of revised pay scale .But the pension is calculated based only on last pay drawn of retiring employee all these years either before 2006 or after 2006.

    Will there be any plead in the case at DHC, the HEARING of which is posted on 29 APRIL 2013? or we have file fresh petition for this claim?

    Regards.

    B.Ramadurai.

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    To my mind the same can be raised if the same was there in the original petition before the CAT. Otherwise we may have to move afresh application.

    Gopal Krishan

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    GConnect.in has come up with this easy to use online tool which interprets Pension Concordance Table and estimates Revised Pension of Pre-2006 Pensioners.
    Revision of Pension of Pre-2006 Pensioners - Pension Calculator
    We request Pre-2006 Pensioners to have look at the same and give back their feedback

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    Dear friends. I would like to further add up what Shri VN has put in his reply to the question raised by Shri Goswami. The OM dated 28.1.13 is not at all badly drafted but it has been very "cleverly" drafted. For computing revised pension of all pre 2006 retirees SCPC gave two formule, one,which says multiply pre revised pension by a factor of 2.26 and second, take 50 % of some of "minimum of the pay in the pay band" and grade pay,corresponding to pre revised "pay scale" from which a pension retired.Revised pension was then to be fixed at the amount which is higher of the two formule. This recommendation was accepted with approval of Union Cabinet and published in GOI Gazette Extra Ordinary vide MOP, DOP Resolution dated 29.8.2008. Subsequently,with the approval of MOS(P), DOP vide OM dated 3.10.2008 changed the second formula to 50% of sum of "minimum of pay band" irrespective to the pre revised pay scale and grade pay corresponding to pre revised pay scale, from which pensioner had retired. This had put those pre 2006 pensioners whose pension was computing higher with second formula, at disadvantageous position. Pensioners tried their best but had to go to the Courts. At this point of time there are at least 37 cases in various Courts which Pensioners have already won.UOI has gone in appeal against some Judgments in High Court/Supreme Court. This has forced the Govt.to have a re-thinking and the outcome has come in the form of OM dated 28.1.13 but revised pension is called "stepping up" for giving it the effect from 24.9.2012,so that, payment of arrears from 1.1.2006,could be avoided.
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    Dear GCONNECT ADMIN.,

    Many thanks for the nice PENSION CALCULATOR innovated for the calcualtion of MGP or Minimum Revised Pension of pre 2006/older pensioners and it is quite effceive to arrive at the figure/ also to cross check if this revised pension is beneficial or not wrt the 2.26 based revised pensionI

    I checked for the S29 pre 2006 retiree case:


    (Pension Calculator for Pre-2006 Pensioners
    When did you retire? (Period of demise of Employee/Pensioner in case of Family Pension) Before 1.1.1996 Between 1.1.1996 and 31.12.2005
    What was the grade/scale of pay at the time of retirement (or demise in case of Family Pension) S-1 2550-55-2660-60-3200S-2 2610-60-3150-65-3540S-2A 2610-60-2910-65-3300-70-4000S-3 2650-65-3300-70-4000S-4 2750-70-3800-75-4400 S-5 3050-75-3950-80-4590S-6 3200-85-4900S-7 4000-100-6000S-8 4500-125-7000S-9 5000-150-8000S-10 5500-175-9000S-11 6500-200-6900S-12 6500-200-10500S-13 7450-225-11500S-14 7500-225-1200S-15 8000-275-13500New 8000-275-13500(Group A Entry)S-16 9000S-17 9000-275-9550S-18 10325-325-10975S-19 10000-325-15200S-20 10650-325-15850S-21 12000-375-16500S-22 12750-375-16500S-23 12000-375-18000S-24 14300-400-18300S-25 15100-400-18300S-26 16400-450-20000S-27 16400-450-20900S-28 14300-450-22400S-29 18400-500-22400S-30 22400-525-24500S-31 22400-600-26000S-32 24050-650-26000S-33 26000(Fixed)S-34 30000(Fixed)
    Corresponding 6th CPC Pay Bands/scales 37400-67000
    Corresponding Grade Pay 10000
    Sum of minimum pay in the pay band and grade pay/ minimum pay in the pay scale as per fitment table 54700
    Pension= 50% of Sum of minimum pay in the pay band and grade pay/ minimum pay in the pay scale as per fitment table 27350
    DA @ 72% 19692
    Total Pension 47042
    Family Pension = 30% of Sum of minimum pay in the pay band and grade pay/ minimum pay in the pay scale as per fitment table 16410
    DA @ 72% 11815
    Total Family Pension 28225


    It is fine
    vnatarajan

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    Sir,
    In the above new pension calculator, separate fixation is shown for 6500-200-10500 and 7450-225-11500 i.e. 8145 AND 9230 RESPECTIVELY. But in 6 CPC 6500-200-10500 is upgraded to 7450-225-11500 and placed under 4600 GP. Is this upgradation not applicable for pensioners? Should the pensioners who retired in 6500-200-10500 not be given 4600 GP like employees who are serving and place them in 9230. Please clarify.

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    My impressions:

    Raising the conseerned scale to a higher GP level may mean UPGRADATION after the Sixth CPC.
    AS A RESULT, THOSE NOT IN SERVICE ON THE DATE OF EFFECTIVE UPGRADTION ORDERS MAY NOT GET THE BENEFIT.

    Of course this is injustice.
    Past examples of departures from this rule may be there.

    Litigations must have taken place (eg Rly Pensioners).

    Going to CATs/ Courts may be inevitable for the retirees not covered by the raised GP!!!!

    vnatarajan

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