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    Default Fixation of pay in pay band PB-2 after 01-01-06

    My basic on 01-01-06 was Rs. 5600 in the scale of Rs. 5000-8000 as Head Clerk in CBI deptt of Govt. of India with date of increment on 1st April. I was promoted in the scale of 5500-9000 as Crime Assistant on 31-05-2006 with basic pay of Rs.6025 and date of increment 1st May.

    I have opted initial fixation of my pay from 01-01-06 in the rank of Head Clerk and on promotion as Crime Assistant on 31-05-06 from my next increment under FR22(1)(a)1.

    My deptt. has fixed my pay on 01-01-06 as Rs.10420 with Grade Pay Rs.4200 in the rank of Head Clerk. Further on promotion on 31-05-06, my pay has been fixed Rs.11320 on 01-07-06 and again Grade Pay Rs.4200. (i.e. on promotion, my pay has been fixed as Rs.10420 on 31-05-06 with Grade Pay Rs.4200. On 01-07-06, one increment Rs.10860 and next promotion increment Rs.11320 with same Grade Pay Rs.4200

    I would like to know whether my deptt. has fixed my pay correctly. Secondly, whether any benefit of merger of 5000-8000 and 5500-9000 to 6500-10500 being upgraded to 7450-11500 in pre-revised scale with Grade Pay Rs.4600 would be applicable to me. Please let me know at the earliest.
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    as of now ur dept has fixed ur pay correctly. i hope MoF will issue some clarification on pay fixation on promotion/acp in merged scale later on. As regards upgradation of scale is concerned, as per notification department has to submit proposal for upgradation of 6500 scale to 7450 scale. U may confirm from ur dept if they are taking it with MoF. it will not come on its own.

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    Default Thanks Mr. Jitendraacr.

    Thanks for providing your assistance.

    You must be knowing that my office is a subordinate office of DP&T under M/o Personnel, Public Grivences and Pensions. It is learnt that in subordinate offices, the chain in ministerial ranks are as under:
    LDC>UDC>Head Clerk>Assistant>Office Supdt(Group-B Gazetted)
    the pre-revised scales of the following posts in Subordinate Offices are:
    LDC (3050-4590); UDC (4000-6000); Head Clerk (5000-8000);Assistant
    (5500-9000):OS (6500-10500 Group-B Gazetted)

    whereas in Ministeries, the chain is like this:
    LDC>UDC>Assistant>Section Officer (Group-B Gazetted).
    the pre-revised scales of the following posts in Ministeries are:
    LDC (3050-4590); UDC (4000-6000); Head Clerk (No Post);Assistant (5500-9000 and from 15/09/06 in 6500-10500):Section Officer (7500-12000 Group-B Gazetted).

    In the light of above, it is clear that there is always a chance of higher Grade Pay if one is promoted after 01.01.06 i.e.1900>2400>4200>4800 as far as Ministeries are concerned whereas in my case it is like this i.e.1900>2400>4200 as Head Clerk>4200 as Crime Assistant>4800. This shows that getting promotion to the rank of Crime Assistant, no higher Grade Pay is given then what does this promotion means? There might be some anomaly which needs to be sorted out.

    Moreover, I have been deprived off ACP benefits mainly due to getting of promotions timely through departmental examinations. This also means that govt. does not want talent in their offices. That is why no ACP benefits are conferred to promotees of departmental examinations. What is the fault of those who study hard and get promotions with their hard efforts. They should also be given ACP benefits otherwise they will be demoralised too much and finally search for other suitable alternatives.

    From your platform, I would like to request you to take this matter to MoF for sympathetic consideration on two points: (i) On every promtion, there should be higher Grade Pay and (ii) ACP benefits may also be granted to promotees of departmental examinations.

    Thanks.

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    I will try to check out ur problem with my friens who are well wersed in rule position and try to give u satisfactory reply in a day or two, if possible.

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    Question Clarification regarding.........

    I am eagerly waiting reply for my clarification on Grade Pay i.e. same Grade Pay of Rs.4200 given by my deptt. on promotion to the rank of Crime Assistant w.e.f.31/05/08 from Head clerk-cum-Accountant in the pre-revised scale of Rs.5000-8000 to Rs.5500-9000 respectively in fixing my pay from 01/01/06 as per 6th CPC OM which are merged to pre-revised scale of Rs.6500-10500.

    Meanwhile, while browsing gconnect site, I have seen one topic fixation in upgradation cases where one point arises, do the merged scales of Rs.5000-8000 & 5500-9000 to the pre-revised scale of Rs.6500-10500 have also been upgraded or simply a deemed elongated pre-revised scale of Rs.5000-10500 with grade pay of Rs.4200 has been done and covered all concerned with aforesaid pre-revised scales in the pay band Rs.9300-34800 (PB-2).

    Can you give me an early reply, Mr. Jitender.

    Thanks.

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    MY dear Anil

    There seems no solution of your problem at present simply because non availability of clear guidelines on it. The fact is that 6th pay commission have not taken any afterthought for upgradation/merger of various scales. They may be pardoned since they were not well versed with all the rules regulating pay fixation etc. But how these MoFs prople could not understand the logic. What the commission people did, was betterment of us but the entire proces has become so confusing that many a seniors are on loss. This anamoly should be placed before Ananmoliy Committee. Submit your request with your deprtment or seek support of RTI act. Do whatever you legally can to find a justice. Hope all our friends will do the same.

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    Default Scale Merger for Technical and Administrative staff in ICAR

    Dear Jitendra Sir,
    I am working in Indian Council of Agricultural Research (ICAR) an autonomous body under MoAgri as Technical Staff in Engineering and workshop staff category.Presently I am in T4.ie 5500-175-9000 scale with career promotion in each 5 years.I was apponted in 1999 and I got a promotion from 4500-125-7000 to this scale in 2004 as we have no 5000 scale.Whether the technical staff in the 5500-175-9000 scale are eligible for the scale merger as given in the report?Being the prsent basic is Rs.6200 and increment month being July what will be the basic pay as on Sep08.Our administrative category people also having the same scale but there is no 5 year assessment system in that case.The administartive people are of the opinion that we the technical staff are not eligible for the scale merger.Can you pls give light on this?
    Thanking You
    Hareesh

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    Dera hareeshgs
    As I know all the pay scales from 5000 to 6500 have been merged. 6th CPC has not made any distinction and it is applicable to Administrative as well as technical staff. Where is the difference. But by merger of scales no one is going to be benefitted. Your pay will be fixed according to the formula given in illustration 4B of notification.i.e. by simply multiplying your basic to 1.86. No additional benefit you are going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jitendraacr View Post
    Dera hareeshgs
    As I know all the pay scales from 5000 to 6500 have been merged. 6th CPC has not made any distinction and it is applicable to Administrative as well as technical staff. Where is the difference. But by merger of scales no one is going to be benefitted. Your pay will be fixed according to the formula given in illustration 4B of notification.i.e. by simply multiplying your basic to 1.86. No additional benefit you are going to get.
    Mr Jitendraacr

    Can you please tell me how the fixation of UDCs (pre-revised 4000-6000)going on deputation to the post of Accountants (pre-revised 5500-8000) in various Ministries after 1.1.2006 will be done and who will do the fixation, the parent or the borrowing Ministry.
    sunny
    Last edited by sarora; 06-10-2008 at 02:29 PM.

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    Dear S.Arora

    Pay fixation on deputation will be done by the borrowing department only. They may seek clarification from Parent Department as to how pay in similar scale have been fixed in Parent Department, if needed. Since there seems no doubt in pay fixation in the pay scale of Rs.5500-9000/, it will be fixed according to formula given in notification itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jitendraacr View Post
    Dera hareeshgs
    As I know all the pay scales from 5000 to 6500 have been merged. 6th CPC has not made any distinction and it is applicable to Administrative as well as technical staff. Where is the difference. But by merger of scales no one is going to be benefitted. Your pay will be fixed according to the formula given in illustration 4B of notification.i.e. by simply multiplying your basic to 1.86. No additional benefit you are going to get.
    Thank You Sir for the valued info.
    Our office has today issued an undertaking form for arrears and pay fixation.Hope we will be getting the arrears by this wk end or by next week.

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