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    Default Clarification on Pay Fixation in GP-4600/-

    MoF(Deptt. of Expenditure) has clarified the following issues:

    Point of Doubt(1):

    Assistants/PAs in position on 1/1/2006 who are to be given benefits of bunching as per illustration 4 (A) annexed to CCS(RP) Rules,2008.

    Reply:

    The pay in pay band of Assistants/PAs as on 1/1/06 will be fixed with reference to the fitment table of the pre-revised pay scale of Rs.5500-9000/- annexed with this Departments OM No.1/1/2008-IC dated 30th August, 2008 and they will be granted the grade pay of Rs.4600/-. Since the minimum pay in the pay band in the revised pay structure corresponding to the stage of Rs.5500/- (pre-revised scale of Rs.5500-9000/-) is more than the minimum of the pay band PB-2 i.e. Rs.9300/-, no benefit of bunching is admissible in this case.

    Point of Doubt(2):
    Officials promoted as Assistants/PAs before 1/1/2006 but who have given option for pay fixation w.e.f. 15.09.2006 w.r.t. pre-revised scale of Rs.6500-10500/-.

    Reply:
    In the case of those Assistants/PAs who were in Govt service as on 1/1/06, but who had given option for pay fixation w.e.f. 15.09.2006 with reference to pre-revised scale of Rs.6500-10500/-, their pay will be fixed as per their option by determining theeir pay in the pay band with reference to thefitment table of the pre-revised pay scale of Rs.6500-10500/- annexed with this Depts OM No.1/1/2008-IC dated 30th August, 2008. However, if fixation of pay as per this option is no longer beneficial for any particular employee, he may be allowed to revise his option without referring the matter to Deptt. of Expenditure.

    Point of Doubt(3):
    Officials promoted as Assistants/PAs on or after 1/1/06
    Reply:
    In the case of Govt servants who were promoted as Assistants/PAs between 1/1/06 and 31/08/08, their pay will be fixed as per the option exercised by them. In terms of CCS(RP) Rules, 2008, they have the option to (i) either have their pay fixed w.e.f.1/1/2006 with reference to the lower scale which they were holding as on 1/1/06, or (ii) from the date of promotion which took place after 1/1/06; in this case, their pay will be fixed w.r.t. the fitment table of the higher pay scale, however they will not be entitled to arrears of pay from 1/1/06 till the date of option.
    Accordingly in the case of officials who were promoted as Assistants/PAs between 1/1/06and 31/08/08, they have the option to havetheir pay fixed w.e.f. 1/1/06 w.r.t. the pre-revised scale of the lower grade i.e. UDC/Steno'D'. In such cases, on the date of their promotion, their pay will be fixed by granting them one increment in the pay band being Rs.9300/- and GP of Rs.4600/-.
    Alternatevely, they can opt to have their pay fixed from the date of promotion w.r.t. the fitment table of the upgraded pay scale i.e. pre-revised scale of Rs.7450-11500/-, in which case, they shall not be entitled to arrears of pay from 1/1/06 till the date of option.

    For kind information to all Assistants/PAs
    Jitendra

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    Dear Sir,

    Can you give us the link please.

    Anthony

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    Thumbs up Pay fixation

    Dear Sir

    Thank for the clarification posted in detail. Can you please post the same- copy of the MOF for the benefit of the members or the link as requested by Mr. Anthony

    With regards
    Last edited by aneesh; 09-01-2010 at 10:53 AM. Reason: correction

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    Could you please give the link please. I would be glad if you can send the clarificatory OM to me by email to: uppili2007@yahoo.co.in. Thanks.

    Srini

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    Dear Sir,
    Can this clarification be applicable to other central government employees who were promoted between 01/01/2006 to 31/08/2008 from pre-revised scale of Rs. 5000-150-8000 to the pay scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500?
    Last edited by mbjitendra; 10-01-2010 at 07:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Dear Sir,

    Can you give us the link please.

    Anthony
    Dear friend
    This is not available on any website. I have received through my friends like you and I have a scaned copy on my computer but I am not able to post it in the forum due to my limitations. Can you explain the procedure as to how could I post it on forum. or give me your mail address to which I could send it to you.
    Jitendra

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    Dear sir,

    I have sent my mail Id as a private message. Kindly send me the OM.

    Thank you in advance.

    Anthony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Dear sir,

    I have sent my mail Id as a private message. Kindly send me the OM.

    Thank you in advance.

    Anthony
    Dear Mr.Anthony,

    I too would like to request for a copy of the order. How do I send my email ID as you have done?

    Rgds

    RKR

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    Dear friends, I need some clarification regarding pay fixation. I was appointed as PA in June 1995 and my basic as on 1.1.06 was Rs.7250/-. I exercised my option to in respect of Rs.6500/- w.e.f. 15.09.06 and my basic was fixed at Rs.7500/-. Now, as per 6 CPC my pay was fixed at 13485+4200 on 1.1.06 (in the scale applicable to 5500).

    My question is what will be my pay now in view of recent order granting 4600 gp?

    Srini

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    Default latest clarification of Ministry of finance regarding GP4600 and Fixation

    The clarification given for each point of doubt is contradictory to the other on the following reasons making lot of further injustices to the Assistants. I am showing the examples of three employees promoted in different dates as per the above clarifications in the same post which will reveal the Himalayan blunder through the latest clarification.

    1. Eg. (point of doubt 1) An employee who was promoted as Assistant on 1.11.2002 and fixed his pay in the minimum of 5500 reached his basic of Rs.6025 as on 1.1.2006 . He will get only Rs. 15,810 (6025x1.86+4600).
    2. Eg. (point of doubt 2) Another employee who was promoted as Assistant on 1.11.2005 and drawing 5500 only on 1.1.2006 are opting his pay fixation from 15/9/2006 as per fitment table of 6500-10,500 he will get Rs.16690 (6500x1,86+4600)
    3. Eg. (Point of doubt 3) Another employee who was promoted as Assistant on 1.6.2006 and was drawing 5500 from 1.6.2006 will get Rs. 18,460 (7450x1,86+4600).

    The ultimate result that three employees promoted with same recruitment rules in the same pre-revised scale of 5500-9000 on 1.11.2002 and 1.11.2005 and 1.6.2006 will get refixed his pay as Rs.15,810, 16690 and 18,460 respectively. Whether, any Ministry will give such clarification?. Normally the senior has to get more pay whereas in this aspect the junior most in the same scale will get more ie Rs.18,460/- as per the clarification said to have issued.

    My suggestion to solve all these problem is to give fixation benefit to all Assistants or even Group B officers in the replaced pre-revised 7450-11,500 scale with appropriate bunching benefit and grade pay of Rs.4600/ and 4800 respectively for the pre-revised 5500-9000 and 6500-10,500 as per the pay commission suggestion and government approval and clarification given in OM dated 13.11.2009 to sort out all injustices.

    In this context, I would like to reproduce one para from pay commission report chapter:

    3.8.1: Common categories of staff are those categories that are engaged in semilar functions spread across various ministries/departments/organizations of the Central Government. These categories are not limited to any specific Ministry or department and, therefore any decision taken for them impacts more than one Ministry/department/organization

    Further, this is the first time, a government is giving less pay to senior most and more pay to junior most. How is it?
    Last edited by krishnan09; 11-01-2010 at 08:09 PM.

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    Dear friends
    What my learned friend Shri Krishnan ji has stated is correct. But the said clarification has not been issued by MoF to remove an anomaly instead they have only clarified the procedure of pay fixation in these situations. It is no where written that the clarification is issued to remove the anomaly. It still exists. I have some authentic information that this issue has been accepted as an anomaly by the Anomaly Committee and they would consider it to resolve the issue. We have to wait for that. At this time, the pay fixation in these grade will only be done in the way as stated in the clarification. We should not forget that there is a provision of stepping up of pay w.r.t. juniors which will be applicable to (ii) case mentioned by Shri Krishnan. The first case is only an example of wrong option exercised by an individual. Moreover grant of GP 4600/- w.e.f. 1/1/06 to all Assistants/PAs have nulify the benefit of grant of pay scale of Rs.6500-10500/- w.e.f. 15/09/06.
    Jitendra

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    Default Grant of GP 4600 and clarification thereof.

    Dear Jitendra Ji,

    Pl. tell me you are discussing the MOF OM dt.13/11/2009 granting 4600 gp to all persons who were in 5000-5500 and 6500 w.e.f. 1.1.2006 or DOPT OM dt. 16/11/09 giving benefit to Asstt/PA of CSS only.

    Also inform that order 13/11/2009 is applicable to field office steno gr.II and others also, as per revised field office strength structure as decided by 6th CPC in chapter 3.1.14. Also as per 13/11/09 om chapter 2.2.21(V) also clearly states about the grant of 4600 gp to all merged scale if you thorougly read these chapters. my email is pradeepkumar_pa@rediffmail.com

    hoping for quick reply.

    pradeep

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    Dear friend Pradeep
    I am not discussing any OM stated by you. I have only posted a clarification given by MoF in response to a particular query made by MEA with regard to fixation of Assistants. It is not an order issued by MoF. I have posted it here only to give an understanding as to how pay in these pay scales will be fixed. In my view, this clarification is useful not only for pay fixation of Assistants but all other equivalent ranks. If pay of any employee is fixed in violation of these clarification, he may represent his case to his department requesting them to seek clarification from MoF in this regard.
    Jitendra

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    Dear Jitendra Ji,

    I had sent my email id to you via PM. Can U please send the scaned copy of the clarification to me.

    Thanks in Advance,
    Raj Kapoor
    Last edited by Raj Kapoor; 12-01-2010 at 10:51 PM.

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    Default Pay fixation of Assistants done in petroleum Ministry

    M/o Petroleum & NG have fixed the pay of Assistants working in the Ministry as under:-

    i).the pay in the revised scale of the existing Assistants and PAs drawing less than the minimum i.e. Rs.7450/- of the upgraded scale of pay of Rs.7450-225-11500 as on 1.1.2006 or promoted later fixed at Rs.13860/- +GP Rs.4600/- w.e.f. the date of promotion, i.e. the revised/ corresponding pay of Rs.7450/- in the Table given in the CCS[RP] Rules.

    ii) Direct Recruit Assistants / PAs. Joined after 01.01.2006 granted pay of Rs.12540 / - plus Grade Pay of Rs.4600 / - as prescribed by the 6th Pay Commission for them as entry grade.


    The argument given by them is as under :-

    As per instructions of Department of Expenditure, consequent on the above upgradation, the pay of the above categories of Govt. servants will be fixed again in accordance with illustration 4A annexed to CCS[RP]Rules,2008. Illustration 4A. Illustration provides that a person drawing a Basic Pay of Rs.3125/- in the pay scale of Rs.3050-4590, on upgradation of the scale to Rs.3200-4900 has been given the minimum of the upgraded scale i.e. Rs.3200/ -in the scale of Rs.3200-4900 and his pay in the revised pay structure was fixed as indicated against the pay of Rs.3200/- in the Table provided by the Ministry of Finance in the CCS[RP]Rules 2008. From this illustration, it is seen that the pay of Rs.6060/ - has been arrived at after providing the benefit of bunching in the pre-revised scale of Rs.3050-4590. Therefore, indication from the Illustration 4A appears to be very clear that the pay in the upgraded scale/ grade whatever it may be, should not be less than the minimum of the upgraded scale/grade i.e. Rs.13860/- + GP Rs.4600-- in PB.2, so far as existing staff is concerned. However, in respect of Direct Recruits, who appointed after 1.1.2006, be given the pay as prescribed the 6th CPC i.e. Rs.12540/-- + GP Rs.4600/- in the PB-2.

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    I have not find the clarification order anywhere. Please post the order as early as possible

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    Post fixation in 4600 GP

    Dear sir,
    I'am working as section engineer in railways in the pre revised scale of 6500-10500 which is merged or upgraded(which is not clear) to 7450-11500 scale and now in the GP of 4600/-.My basic pay on 01/01/2006 was 7300/- and fixed as 13580 (7300 x1.86) +4600 GP.As above posts confusing me,please clarify whether the calculation is correct or not.My increament date was on May as per pre revised scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaleelethiyil View Post
    Dear sir,
    I'am working as section engineer in railways in the pre revised scale of 6500-10500 which is merged or upgraded(which is not clear) to 7450-11500 scale and now in the GP of 4600/-.My basic pay on 01/01/2006 was 7300/- and fixed as 13580 (7300 x1.86) +4600 GP.As above posts confusing me,please clarify whether the calculation is correct or not.My increament date was on May as per pre revised scale.


    The calculation is correct.

    Victor
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    Sir,

    The last clarification (regarding the officials promoted between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008) is applicable on other upgraded pay scale also or only for Assistans/PAs.

    I think the manner of fixation of pay for all categories of employee should be same in similar cases. If i am right, please guide the manner of fixation of pay of Section Officer (A/cs) in Railways who got promoted between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008 with Grade Pay 4800.


    Thanks
    Vinay

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinay choudhary View Post
    Sir,

    The last clarification (regarding the officials promoted between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008) is applicable on other upgraded pay scale also or only for Assistans/PAs.

    I think the manner of fixation of pay for all categories of employee should be same in similar cases. If i am right, please guide the manner of fixation of pay of Section Officer (A/cs) in Railways who got promoted between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008 with Grade Pay 4800.


    Thanks
    Vinay

    Unfortunately, the Ministry of Finance has not issued any general OM clarifying the issue. The Ministry of Finance had in fact clarified on the file received from DOPT in which the issue of fixation of pay consequent to upgradation of GP from 4200 to 4600 in the case of Assistants/PAs of CSS, was under examination.

    I agree with you that that pay fixation issues are fundamental in nature and the methodology to be adopted in such cases should be uniform irrespective of Post/Grade/Service.

    One can only hope that better sense will prevail in MOF/DOPT and a uniform methodology will be prescribed in cases of upgradation.

    Victor

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