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mbjitendra
28-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Can anyone help me to fix my pay in view of OM dated 13/11/2009? My details are as under:-

1. I was drawing pay of Rs. 5750/- in pay scale of Rs 5000-150-8000 as on 01/01/2006.

2. I got promotion as Income Tax Inspector on 18/12/2006 and my pay is fixed at Rs. 6500/- in the pay scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500.

3. I am giving option under rule FR 22, for fixation of my pay from the date of my promotion (i.e. 18/12/2006) and accordingly my pay in the sixth pay commission is fixed at Rs. 16,290/-(12090+4200GP). I was loosing sixth pay arrear from 01/01/2006 to 17/12/2006.

4. Now please guide me to fix my pay on the date of my promotion in view of OM dated 13/11/2009 where pay scale 6500-200-10500 is merged to 7450-225-11500 i.e. no scale of pay 6500-200-10500 is exist after 01/01/2006.:confused:

Anthony
28-11-2009, 07:36 PM
Can anyone help me to fix my pay in view of OM dated 13/11/2009? My details are as under:-

1. I was drawing pay of Rs. 5750/- in pay scale of Rs 5000-150-8000 as on 01/01/2006.

2. I got promotion as Income Tax Inspector on 18/12/2006 and my pay is fixed at Rs. 6500/- in the pay scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500.

3. I am giving option under rule FR 22, for fixation of my pay from the date of my promotion (i.e. 18/12/2006) and accordingly my pay in the sixth pay commission is fixed at Rs. 16,290/-(12090+4200GP). I was loosing sixth pay arrear from 01/01/2006 to 17/12/2006.

4. Now please guide me to fix my pay on the date of my promotion in view of OM dated 13/11/2009 where pay scale 6500-200-10500 is merged to 7450-225-11500 i.e. no scale of pay 6500-200-10500 is exist after 01/01/2006.:confused:

Dear friend

Dear friend,
Your pay would be fixed as under and you might be getting the arrears you had foregone.

PAY : 6500*1.86 = 12090

GRADE PAY: = 4600
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16690 as on 17/12/2006
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Pay as on 01/07/2007 = 16690 * 3% = 500 (16990+500) = 17490

Pay as on 01/07/2008 = 17490 * 3% = 524 (17490+530) = 18020

Pay as on 01/07/2009 = 18020 * 3% = 540 (18020+540) = 18460

Your pay would be fixed as 18460 w.e.f 01/07/2009

Anthony

narayanan
28-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Dear Mr. mbjithendra,

In my view, your fixation has to be considered the following:

In this regard it may please be noted that for optees (who continue to be in the old pay structure), In your case, your promotion will be effected in the old pay structure only ie. to 6500 -10500. The pay applicabe on 18.12.2006 on promotion ( ie.6500) will be then multiplied by 1.935 (not 1.86 since the DA rate 29% due on 1.7.06 is required to be considered)

Therefore, the pay in pay band will be 6500x1.935=12580 (rounded to 10)
Total pay= 12580+4600=17180 (as on 18.12.2006).

With regards,

Narayanan

mbjitendra
29-11-2009, 10:39 AM
Dear Shri Narayanan Sir,

Thank You very much. :):):)

But pay scale 6500-200-10500 does not exist after 01/01/2006, it merged with pay scale 7450-225-11500, then can we take Rs. 7450/- for initial fixation of pay? Sir, please clarify.

narayanan
29-11-2009, 12:23 PM
Dear Mr. mbjithendra,

We have to remember the fact that by opting the old pay structure till 18.12.2006, the replacement scale (7450-11500- 4600) of new pay structure has no relevance in your case till 18.12.2006. Even in the case of person in 6500-10500 as on 1.1.2006 has been granted the replacement scale of 7450-11500 with new GP 4600, no entray has been given to 7450-11500 by fixing the minimum pay of 7450.

Therefore, no scope...sorry.

With regards,

Narayanan

mbjitendra
29-11-2009, 08:02 PM
Dear Shri Narayanan Sir,

Thank you! One more querry in this regard i.e. can I give option under rule FR22 now to fix my pay w.e.f. 01/01/2006, if yes, what is the time limit for giving such option. And please reply what is beneficial to me, pay fixation w.e.f. 01/01/2006 or from the date of my promotion(18/12/2006)? Sir, if possible, please calculate my pay as on 01/07/2009 in both cases(option).:)

sel
29-11-2009, 08:15 PM
The pay fixed by Mr narayanan is wrong
it should be multiplied by 1.86 only
your pay as on your date of option will be 12090 + 4600 +16690/-


Sel

svsankar
29-11-2009, 09:24 PM
The pay fixed by Mr narayanan is wrong
it should be multiplied by 1.86 only
your pay as on your date of option will be 12090 + 4600 +16690/-


Sel

Please do not misquote. Go through the discussion completely, the senior member is correct. Mr mbjitendra has opted to come under VI CPC wef 18-12-2006 as his pay is raised from 5750 to 6500 on 18-12-2006.

tvenkatam
30-11-2009, 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sel
The pay fixed by Mr narayanan is wrong
it should be multiplied by 1.86 only
your pay as on your date of option will be 12090 + 4600 +16690/-


Sel

Please do not misquote. Go through the discussion completely, the senior member is correct. Mr mbjitendra has opted to come under VI CPC wef 18-12-2006 as his pay is raised from 5750 to 6500 on 18-12-2006.

Dear friends,

Sorry to intervene. I too wish that the multiplication factor (M.F) for 18.12.2006 must be higher than 1.86 (based on prevailing DA rates). However, for assuming a higher M.F other than 1.86 Rule 11 of the Revised Pay Rules will need to be amended. As of today, clause (i) of Rule 11 of RP Rules prescribes the method of fixation of pay in the revised pay structure subsequent to 01.01.2006 as under:
“Pay in the pay band will be fixed by adding the basic pay applicable on the later date,
the dearness pay applicable on that date and the pre-revised dearness allowance based on rates applicable as on 01.01.2006. This figure will be rounded off to the next multiple of 10 and will then become the pay in the applicable pay band.”
Based on the above rules, the M.F will be no different from 1.86 even on 18.12.2006.

tvenkatam
30-11-2009, 08:31 PM
Dear Shri Narayanan Sir,

Thank you! One more querry in this regard i.e. can I give option under rule FR22 now to fix my pay w.e.f. 01/01/2006, if yes, what is the time limit for giving such option. And please reply what is beneficial to me, pay fixation w.e.f. 01/01/2006 or from the date of my promotion(18/12/2006)? Sir, if possible, please calculate my pay as on 01/07/2009 in both cases(option).:)

Dear Friend,

Without any prejudice to your question on profitability of pay fixation on different dates, I may clarify that you can exercise your option afresh up to three months from the date of issue of the recent order upgrading the scale of 6500 to 7450 in terms of Rule 6 (1) of RP Rules which, inter alia, maintains as under:
“….within three months of the date of publication of these rules (RP Rules) or where an existing scale has been revised by any order made subsequent to that date, within three months of date of such order”

narayanan
01-12-2009, 07:41 PM
Dear Shri Venkatam/Sel

Thanks for putting me in right track. Rule 11 of the Revised Pay Rules allows only a multiplication factor of 1.86. The view expressed by me earlier in this regard is not correct.

Thank you,

Narayanan

mbjitendra
01-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Dear Shri Narayananji, Shri Svshankar,& Shri T. Venkatam,
Thank You very much!!!!!!!!!!!

narayanan
01-12-2009, 10:01 PM
Dear shri mbjithendra,

With regard to the option, our friend shri TVenkatamji has already answered. The option now exerciable is only a revised one.

Narayanan

mbjitendra
03-12-2009, 08:41 AM
Dear,
I was also promoted as Office Superitendent in the pre-revised scale of 5500-175-9000, and my pay was fixed at Rs. 6200/- in the month of Sep-2006. Now can I give the option u/r FR 22 to fix my pay from the date of my first promotion after 1/01/2006? if yes, please guide me what is my revised pay as on the date of my first promotion.

svsankar
04-12-2009, 07:58 PM
Thanks to Mr Venkatam for the detailed clarification and to mr sel & mr anthony also for pointing out the same correctly earlier.

sandy
05-12-2009, 01:24 PM
Sir,
I was working as Chargeman-I in the scale of PB-2 with basic pay 13570 + 4200 grade pay.Later i got direct recruitment as Jr Scientific officer whose gradepay is 4800 in PB-2 with starting Basic as 13550 through UPSC in April 2009 with continuity in service. Now during fixation our CDA has kept my basic as 13570 and given only change in grade pay i.e. Rs 600 rise without any additional increment, even though i have crossed the starting basic of Jr. Scientific Officer.As per the earlier rules i was supposed to get an additional increment since i have crossed the starting pay of the new post.Can anyone clarify on fixation:confused: which is correct.

jitendraacr
06-12-2009, 08:51 PM
Dear friend
Since you joined a higher post through direct recruitment, you are eligible to draw minimum pay in that grade pay which unfortunately is 13550/-. Since you were already drawing 13570 as pay, your pay have been correctly protected and fixation is done correctly. Earlier also, not increment but next stage(if same does not exist in higher pay scale) was given. The provision of increment is given in case of promotion where fixation is to be done under FR 22(I)(a)(i).
Jitendra

mbjitendra
13-12-2009, 02:16 PM
Hi to all!!
The details of my friend are as under:-

1. He was working as Steno-II & drawing pay of Rs. 5750/- in pay scale of Rs 5000-150-8000 as on 01/01/2006.

2. He got his first promotion in the month of March, 2006 and his pay has been fixed at Rs. 6200/- in the pay scale of 5500-175-9000. Again he had been promoted as Income Tax Inspector on 27/12/2006 and his pay was fixed at Rs. 6500/- in the pay scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500.

3. Now please guide me which date of fixation is beneficial to my friend i.e. from March, 2006 or December, 2006? Pl. illustrate.

aneesh
13-12-2009, 10:39 PM
Hi to all!!
The details of my friend are as under:-

1. He was working as Steno-II & drawing pay of Rs. 5750/- in pay scale of Rs 5000-150-8000 as on 01/01/2006.

2. He got his first promotion in the month of March, 2006 and his pay has been fixed at Rs. 6200/- in the pay scale of 5500-175-9000. Again he had been promoted as Income Tax Inspector on 27/12/2006 and his pay was fixed at Rs. 6500/- in the pay scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500.

3. Now please guide me which date of fixation is beneficial to my friend i.e. from March, 2006 or December, 2006? Pl. illustrate.

Dear member

On his first promotion he may opt for pay fixation from the date of next increment i.e, July 2006. At that time he will get one normal increment and may get one notional increment on promotion in the revised pay structure. There will be no change in grade pay

On his promotion to the post of Inspector he may opt for fixation of pay from the date of promotion ie., 27.12.2006. As on that date he will get one notional increment of 3% plus GP difference of Rs.400. His new grade pay will be Rs.4600/-

Some of the senior members may confirm the above pay fixation and correct me if I am wrong.

mbjitendra
19-12-2009, 02:41 PM
Dear Senior Members,
Please confirm the pay fixation done by Mr. Anees.

tvenkatam
19-12-2009, 07:20 PM
Dear Senior Members,
Please confirm the pay fixation done by Mr. Anees.

Dear Friend,

The answer given by Mr. Aneesh is very clear and is correct.

Anthony
20-12-2009, 06:51 AM
Dear member

On his first promotion he may opt for pay fixation from the date of next increment i.e, July 2006. At that time he will get one normal increment and may get one notional increment on promotion in the revised pay structure. There will be no change in grade pay

On his promotion to the post of Inspector he may opt for fixation of pay from the date of promotion ie., 27.12.2006. As on that date he will get one notional increment of 3% plus GP difference of Rs.400. His new grade pay will be Rs.4600/-

Some of the senior members may confirm the above pay fixation and correct me if I am wrong.

Dear Aneesh,

I would to clarify that the notional increment on option w.e.f 01/07/2006 cannot be granted, because promotion earned in March - 2006 to the scale of 5500 - 9000 is in merged grades of 5000 - 8000 & 5500 -9000. Hence. he can not give option to get his pay fixed from 01/07/2006. He will get the benefit of promotion, which he has got on 27/12/2006 in the scale of 6500 as you have said.

Anthony

aneesh
20-12-2009, 10:27 PM
Dear Aneesh,

I would to clarify that the notional increment on option w.e.f 01/07/2006 cannot be granted, because promotion earned in March - 2006 to the scale of 5500 - 9000 is in merged grades of 5000 - 8000 & 5500 -9000. Hence. he can not give option to get his pay fixed from 01/07/2006. He will get the benefit of promotion, which he has got on 27/12/2006 in the scale of 6500 as you have said.

Anthony

Sir,

Thank you for the clarification. Can you please explain in detail the pay fixation for promotees/ acp between 1.1.2006 to 31.8.2008 in the merged grades. Do they get any financial benefit or not. Some of the members have mentioned that in such cases only 3 % increment benefit will be given. It will help many members like me.

With regards

Anthony
21-12-2009, 07:23 AM
Sir,

Thank you for the clarification. Can you please explain in detail the pay fixation for promotees/ acp between 1.1.2006 to 31.8.2008 in the merged grades. Do they get any financial benefit or not. Some of the members have mentioned that in such cases only 3 % increment benefit will be given. It will help many members like me.

With regards

Dear Aneesh,

I am also one one of the persons affected by the merger of scales. As per the existing rules after the implementation of the Sixth pay commission, there is no clear rule with regard to promotions earned in merged grades after 01/01/2006. According to clarification No.2, the method of pay fixation for promotions after 01/01/2006 has been explained. But it has not clearly distinguished between promotions earned in the merged grades. The only line which can give benefit to us (those promoted in the merged grades) is that, it has been mentioned in the clarification No.2 that "PROMOTIONS EARNED FROM ONE GRADE TO ANOTHER". If this line is read with the Rule of FR-22 (promotions from one grade to another) one increment has to be given. But no department has not yet decided with granting of an increment to the promotees in the merged grades after 01/01/2006. Kindly read the Thread "DOES FR-22 HOLD GOOD" anomalies to have a clear view.

Anthony

aneesh
21-12-2009, 10:01 PM
Dear Anthony

These anamolies have to be sorted by issue of clarificatory orders. In our office there are certain direct recruitments who were appointed from 5000 to 5500 scale after 1.1.2006 and before implementation of spc. In all such cases we have not given them any benefit as the gp is same for both the posts on merger. spc has erred in merging these scales and giving same gp for these merged scales. Offer your comments please.

regards

Anthony
22-12-2009, 05:36 AM
Dear Anthony

These anamolies have to be sorted by issue of clarificatory orders. In our office there are certain direct recruitments who were appointed from 5000 to 5500 scale after 1.1.2006 and before implementation of spc. In all such cases we have not given them any benefit as the gp is same for both the posts on merger. spc has erred in merging these scales and giving same gp for these merged scales. Offer your comments please.

regards

Dear Aneesh,

In Railways too, they are not giving any benefit for those employees promoted on or after 01/01/2006 in the merged grades. They say that there is no clear instructions in the Sixth PC orders to grant an increment for the promotees in the merged grades. They assume that the Clarification No.2 was issued only for the promotions earned other than the merged grades. As you have suggested, a separate clarification order has to be issued for the promotions earned in the merged grades on or after 01/01/2006.

I want to pinpoint to promotions earned in the merged grades before 01-01-2006. In those cases they had got the benefit of pay fixation with an increment in the lower grade. If they become eligible for MACPS, their promotions are ignored for granting MACPS andTHEIR PAY IS NOT IGNORED. It is clearly mentioned in the MACPS order that the promotions earned in the past (prior to 01/01/2006) in the merged grades are to be ignored for granting MACPS. As far I know, in almost all the departments they ignored the promotions earned prior to 01/01/2006 and did ignore the pay fixed on promotions. They enjoy double benefit of pay fixation ( 1 increment in lower grade and the other 3% on MACPS).

Unless there is clear orders from DOPT, we won't be getting any benefit. Hope some Department ask for clarification for pay fixation for the promotees in the merged grades on or after 01/01/2006 .............. ?

Anthony

mbjitendra
25-12-2009, 04:29 PM
In view of national anamoly committee's meeting and decision http://confederationhq.blogspot.com/2009_12_14_archive.html
what will be the procedure to fix the pay on promotion from one grade to another?