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anu_dual
19-09-2008, 10:19 AM
For new people joining after 06
New person joining aftr 06 in 5000 scale = 13500
New person joining aftr 06 in 5500 scale = 13500

5500 scale for new joinee is a loss as they are getting same basic as tht of 5000 scale

For old people
Person in 5000 scale have mim basic = 13500
Person in 5500 scale have mim basic = 14430 *************

****So new joinee after 06 in 5500 scale shd get atleast 14430 as min basic***

Can anyone justify on this

dpm_bbsr
21-09-2008, 12:11 AM
Sorry u r not correct
Both scales GP=4200
So New Entrant will get Pay fix at 9300+4200=13500
But some of this scales has been upgrade/merged in that case pay fix at 9300+corrosponding GP of upgraded/merged scale.
eg some 5500 scale upgrade to 7450
in this case pay fix at 9300+4600(Gp of 7450)=13900

gconnectsna
23-09-2008, 10:03 PM
For new people joining after 06
New person joining aftr 06 in 5000 scale = 13500
New person joining aftr 06 in 5500 scale = 13500

5500 scale for new joinee is a loss as they are getting same basic as tht of 5000 scale

For old people
Person in 5000 scale have mim basic = 13500
Person in 5500 scale have mim basic = 14430 *************

****So new joinee after 06 in 5500 scale shd get atleast 14430 as min basic***

Can anyone justify on this
There is no justification for this. The government will have to come up with an explanation or a clarification soon.

jitendraacr
23-09-2008, 10:17 PM
there is no possibility of any clarification on this issue untll all employees in the scale of Rs5500 and 6500 reprents their case to apropriate forum through roper channel. Inustice can be denied by united efforts.

coolgoose2
24-09-2008, 08:45 AM
The merger of 5000,5500 and 6500 scales into one with grade pay of 4200 is the single biggest blunder committed by SPC. In many departments 500 and 5500 scales are of feeder cadres of the posts in 6500 scale. In the Central Excise and Income Tax Department 5000 cadre is that of Tax Assistant 5500 is that of Senior Tax Assistant and these are feeder cadres of Inspector which is having a pre-revised scale of 6500.

Now consider the case of a Tax Assistant having a basic pay of 5150 in scale 5000-8000 scale as on 01-01-2006.
As per the SPC orders, his pay would be fixed at 9500+4200 = 13780
(FNo.1/1/2008 IC Dated 30-08-2008 of Department of Expenditure, Ministry of Finance)

Take the case of a Central Excise Inspector jointed in the month of 01-Jan2006, in the scale of 6500-9000
As per the SPC orders, his pay would be fixed at 9300+4200 = 13500
(Gazette Notification GSR 622(E)First Schedule,Part A, section II, page43)


What else could we expect from this Group A Centric Pay Commission ?
:mad::mad:

so_ignou20@rediffmail.com
30-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Dear friends,
In my case i am directly appointed after 2006 in the Pre-revised scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500/- and designated as Section Officer in the Autonomous University.
As of now, my revised structure of pay is fixed as Rs. 9300+4200= Rs.13,500/-comparing to those in our university who got appointed after 2006 in the pre revised scale of Rs. 5000/- and Rs. 5500/- their pay has also been restructured as of pre revised scale of Rs. 6500/-. Whereas, these three different pre revised scales appointment and eligibility criteria are different.More over, in our University the pre revised scale of Rs 7450/- and 7500/- is not available after 6500/- the next promotion scale is Rs. 8000/-
So, in the above views aren't Rs. 6500/-pre revised scale be upgraded to next higher scale or can't we suppose to get a higher grade pay instead of Rs. 4200/- ?????? as pay commission ?
Because, the commission has revised the pre revised scale of Rs. 5000/- to Rs. 9300 which means multiplied by the factor of 1.86 i.e. it comes to Rs. 9300/- Simultanously, pre revised scale of Rs. 5500/- and Rs.6500/- should also be calculated accordingly. What do you say !
Kindly throw your ideas and also let every body know what should be appropraite.
Thanks.
Ravi

badri mannargudi
30-12-2008, 04:26 PM
Dear friends,
In my case i am directly appointed after 2006 in the Pre-revised scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500/- and designated as Section Officer in the Autonomous University.
As of now, my revised structure of pay is fixed as Rs. 9300+4200= Rs.13,500/-comparing to those in our university who got appointed after 2006 in the pre revised scale of Rs. 5000/- and Rs. 5500/- their pay has also been restructured as of pre revised scale of Rs. 6500/-. Whereas, these three different pre revised scales appointment and eligibility criteria are different.More over, in our University the pre revised scale of Rs 7450/- and 7500/- is not available after 6500/- the next promotion scale is Rs. 8000/-
So, in the above views aren't Rs. 6500/-pre revised scale be upgraded to next higher scale or can't we suppose to get a higher grade pay instead of Rs. 4200/- ?????? as pay commission ?
Because, the commission has revised the pre revised scale of Rs. 5000/- to Rs. 9300 which means multiplied by the factor of 1.86 i.e. it comes to Rs. 9300/- Simultanously, pre revised scale of Rs. 5500/- and Rs.6500/- should also be calculated accordingly. What do you say !
Kindly throw your ideas and also let every body know what should be appropraite.
Thanks.
Ravi
Dear friends!
In our department (Central Excise and Customs) Inspectors are facing the same problem. Going by the 6th CPC recommendations(which have been accepted on the issue understudy herein), the scale 6500 will be upgraded to 7450, for the purpose of fixation of Grade Py, as a result of which our friend Ravi should get Pay of Rs.9300 with Grade Pay of 4600. Excess of pay, if any, drawn earlier shall be treated as personal pay(absorbable in future).
With regards,
Badri

so_ignou20@rediffmail.com
30-12-2008, 05:37 PM
Dear friends!
In our department (Central Excise and Customs) Inspectors are facing the same problem. Going by the 6th CPC recommendations(which have been accepted on the issue understudy herein), the scale 6500 will be upgraded to 7450, for the purpose of fixation of Grade Py, as a result of which our friend Ravi should get Pay of Rs.9300 with Grade Pay of 4600. Excess of pay, if any, drawn earlier shall be treated as personal pay(absorbable in future).
With regards,
Badri


Thanks for your ideas on 6CPC and precious forwadings.

Here comming to the grade pay of Rs.4600/- in case of pre revised scale of Rs.6500-200-10500/-which means PB-II and total pay of Rs. 17140/- OR Rs.9300+4600/-= Rs.13900/-???????????????
Since the counter part who is appointed on pre revised scale of Rs.6500-200-10500/-after 2006 in the office of Accountant General has been given a grade pay of Rs.4800/- where his total pay comes to Rs.18150/- i am confussed here, and ,moreover they have their officers in the pre revised scale of Rs. 7450/- and Rs.7500/- also. Thanks.
Ravi.

narayanan
03-01-2009, 04:29 PM
Dear friends,

Much has been talked about the merging of the three major pay scales (pre-revised) (hereinafter also called as 'Neuclear fusion) to GP4200 in PB-2 in the revised pay structure. As a result of the Neuclear fusion a lot of energy has been released in the form of discussion, confusion, anomalies, proposals, denial, etc. Meanwhile, the beneficiaries started praising the Pay Commission and the agrieved persons started thinking that the Pay Commission is actualy a PLAY COMMISSION by putting on the switch of the Neuclear fusion.

After going through most of the discussions relating to the 6CPC held in this forum, I am standing before a big ?

Why?

* MPs can pass the Bills relating their pay/perks within seconds.
* Top Management (the decision makers)has no complaint on the award of 6CPC
* On acceptance of the recommendations, anomalies in the pay of the Middle level Management were taken care of.
* The issues relating to 'others' (I repeat 'others') have been handed over to the 'others' sitting at Delhi who will move the file till the next Pay Commission.
* Auxiliary staff - Not at all required - since we have officers with higher GP for the purpose.

But I am sure our cycle will keep momentum in the bad road ahead.

With regards,

Narayanan.

so_ignou20@rediffmail.com
06-01-2009, 01:39 PM
DEAR ONE AND ALL,
After going through the discussion forum we have come across so many understandings and anamolies on pay fixation. The revised structure as expected by many especially "New Recruities DIRECTLY appointed AFTER 01.01.2006 in the Group 'B' post / Scale" has lost their moral and sincerity not only because of merger of pay scales but because of criteria of calculation adopted for fixation of pay in the revised structure AS WE HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD THAT NOWHERE"UNIFORMITY IS MAINTAINED TO STREAMLINE THE PAY SCALE (S)
EVERY MINISTRY/DEPARTMENT HAS ADOPTED THERE OWN YARDSTICK TO UPGRADE OR DOWNGRADE THE PRE REVISED SCALES AS A RESULT OF 6TH CPC.
1. MANY OF US HAVE discussed AND STILL DISCUSSING about multification factor.
2. MANY OF US HAVE discussed AND STILL DISCUSSING about upgraded factor.
3. MANY OF US HAVE discussed AND STILL DISCUSSING about calculation factor, and so on.........WHY ?
Suppose, Pre revised Scale of Rs. 8000/- if upgraded to Rs. 16400/- then., or so what? only few or those who is appointed in the scale will enjoy and be happy and other will oppose like us.
Henceforth, The pay commission should NOT ONLY mean increasing the pre revised SCALE(S) BUT propotionately INCREASE of every pre revised pay scale so that NO ONE CRITISISED other.
Otherwise ONE FINE DAY THE pay commission WILL NO MORE BE COUNTED or treated as IMPORTANT issues of the GOVERNMENT OF ANY COUNTRY.
IF I AM WRONG THEN CORRECT ME.
THANKS.
RAVI.

jitendraacr
06-01-2009, 07:25 PM
Dear friends
I am agreed with my friend who is agitated on this issue since he is one among us who is suffering from this bad idea of merger. It is also true that this is one of the most discussed topic in the forum and reason is well known to all of us. MoF has not taken any step to sort out this problem though several representations have been submitted to them through vaious channels.
As regards the reommendation of 6th CPC regarding merger of these scales, as I know that their intention was good but our MoF people could not produce a correct formula for pay fixation in all these cases. Before 6th CPC, there were several demands of upgrading the scale of Rs.5000 and Rs5500 to Rs.6500 on one ground or another. And that's why this recommendation were come out. However this could not be implemented in its spirit raising such a big problem.
It is also a fact that whereever all these three scales were in existence, it was recommended to merge the posts in scale of Rs.5500/- with 6500/-, being upgraded to 7450/-. Though this was to be done by the respective ministeries/Department in consultation with their Financial Advisor/MoF as the case may be. But as per various views in the forum itself, I found that this has also not happened. Reasons are not known to any one except MoF itself.
This aspect must have been kept alive and every course of action should be considered to resolve the issue. We have to raise our voice so that MoF people feel pressure to sort it out. We should discuss the ways of doing it rather then to show our frustation in this forum. All experienced members may suggest as to how we can raise our voice with in legal frame.
regards
Jitendra