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Anthony
19-11-2009, 06:09 PM
Dear Friends,

If a person is promoted in the merged grades after 01/01/2006,

1). Will they still hold the designation they were given on promotion ?

2). Can we call it a PROMOTION?

3). If it is a Promotion, Can we give option for that promotion and get the pay fixed as per the clarification No.2 dated 13/09/2008.

4). If it is not a Promotion, and no increment, what is the benefit of the SO CALLED PROMOTION ?

Anthony

svsankar
19-11-2009, 07:26 PM
Dear Friends,

If a person is promoted in the merged grades after 01/01/2006,

1). Will they still hold the designation they were given on promotion ?

2). Can we call it a PROMOTION?

3). If it is a Promotion, Can we give option for that promotion and get the pay fixed as per the clarification No.2 dated 13/09/2008.

4). If it is not a Promotion, and no increment, what is the benefit of the SO CALLED PROMOTION ?

Anthony

(1) Designation is to be suitably changed.
(2) No it will not be treated as a promotion.
(3) You cannot give an option.
(4) NIL.

Truly this seems to be discreminatory. But the fact is that those in 5000/8000have already got the grade pay of 5500/9000 in fact 6500/10500. And 6500/10500 have got that of 7450/11500. Changes in grade pay can be sought due to functional requirements of the post. For MACP also this promotion shall be ignored.

Anthony
20-11-2009, 01:45 PM
Dear friends,

It is not mentioned any where in the VI pay commission notifications that, those who have earned promotions after 01/01/2006 are ignored. Only those promotions earned before 01/01/2006 are ignored for grant of MACPS. Will there be any other opinion ?

Anthony:confused:

tvenkatam
20-11-2009, 08:07 PM
Dear friends,

It is not mentioned any where in the VI pay commission notifications that, those who have earned promotions after 01/01/2006 are ignored. Only those promotions earned before 01/01/2006 are ignored for grant of MACPS. Will there be any other opinion ?

Anthony:confused:

Dear Mr. Anthony,

Point No. 5 of Annexure to MACPS of May 19, 2009 should be read in conjunction with Para 9 of the O.M of May 19, 2009. The question of granting upgradations under MACPS arises only w.e.f. 01.09.2008 i.e. the date of implementation of MACPS. Upgradations under the ACP Scheme of August 1999 were to be granted till 31.08.2008. The phrase ‘upgradations granted under the ACP Scheme in the past’ would effectively cover all upgradations falling due on or before 31.08.2008, either already granted or yet to be granted. There would, therefore, be no distinction between pre and post 2006 ACP grantees.

SASI
20-11-2009, 08:45 PM
Dear friends,

It is not mentioned any where in the VI pay commission notifications that, those who have earned promotions after 01/01/2006 are ignored. Only those promotions earned before 01/01/2006 are ignored for grant of MACPS. Will there be any other opinion ?

Anthony:confused:

Para 2 of Orders of MACPS says:

“Thus, the grade pay at the time of financial upgradation under the MACPS can, in certain cases where regular promotion is not between two successive grades, be different than what is available at the time of regular promotion. In such cases, the higher grade pay attached to the next promotion post in the hierarchy of the concerned cadre/organization will be given only at the time of regular promotion”.

This implies that while getting upgradation under MACPS, the grade pay may be lower than what is available on regular promotion . There is no mention in the order where grade pay on Promotion is lower than what is available on upgradations under MACPS.

As such promotion to same grade pay is not contemplated in the order.

An exception to this is mentioned in para 8 (Promotion from grade pay of Rs.5400/- in PB2 to grade pay of 5400/-in PB3).

Anthony
21-11-2009, 06:24 AM
Dear friends,

I would like to concentrate on Para 7 of MACPS with regard to ''FIXATION OF PAY ON PROMOTION.

" with regard to fixation of pay on "PROMOTION"/financial upgradations under MACPS, a Government servant has an option under FR - 22(I) (a) (I), to get his pay fixed in the "HIGHER POST"/ grade pay either from the date of his "PROMOTION"/upgradation or from the date of his next increment, viz 1st July of the year. The pay and the date of increment would be fixed in accordance with the calrificaion No.2 of the Department of Expenditure's OM dated 13.09.2008"

I would also like the other members to have a look at Clarification No.2 for fixation of pay in case of PROMOTION alone for those who have been promoted after 01/01/2006,

"On PROMOTION from one GRADE to Another, the employee has an option under FR-22 to get his pay fixed in the HIGHER POST either from the date of his promotion or from the date of his next increment. The pay fixation will be in the following manner,

a). In case an employee opts to get his pay fixed from the date of his next increment, then on the date of his promotion, the pay in the pay band shall continue unchanged, but the grade pay of the higher post will be granted.Further refixation will be done on the date of his next increment i.e 1st July. On that day, he will be granted 2 increments; one annual increment and the second on account of promotion.

b). In case an employee opts to get his pay fixed in the higher grade from the date of his promotion, he shall get his first increment in the higher grade on the next 1 july if he was promoted between 2nd July to 1st January." .

Here nothing has been mentioned, not to fix pay for those who have been promoted in the merged grades after 01/01/2006. Here, I would like to state an example, 5000 - 8000 was a non selection grade in almost all the departments, where as, 5500 - 9000 was a selection grade, which is supervisory grade. When an employee has been promoted from one non selection grade to selection grade, with reference to the above clarification, Pay can be fixed with 3% increment.

Senior members kindly give your comments.

Anthony

tvenkatam
21-11-2009, 08:04 PM
Dear friends,

I would like to concentrate on Para 7 of MACPS with regard to ''FIXATION OF PAY ON PROMOTION.

" with regard to fixation of pay on "PROMOTION"/financial upgradations under MACPS, a Government servant has an option under FR - 22(I) (a) (I), to get his pay fixed in the "HIGHER POST"/ grade pay either from the date of his "PROMOTION"/upgradation or from the date of his next increment, viz 1st July of the year. The pay and the date of increment would be fixed in accordance with the calrificaion No.2 of the Department of Expenditure's OM dated 13.09.2008"

I would also like the other members to have a look at Clarification No.2 for fixation of pay in case of PROMOTION alone for those who have been promoted after 01/01/2006,

"On PROMOTION from one GRADE to Another, the employee has an option under FR-22 to get his pay fixed in the HIGHER POST either from the date of his promotion or from the date of his next increment. The pay fixation will be in the following manner,

a). In case an employee opts to get his pay fixed from the date of his next increment, then on the date of his promotion, the pay in the pay band shall continue unchanged, but the grade pay of the higher post will be granted.Further refixation will be done on the date of his next increment i.e 1st July. On that day, he will be granted 2 increments; one annual increment and the second on account of promotion.

b). In case an employee opts to get his pay fixed in the higher grade from the date of his promotion, he shall get his first increment in the higher grade on the next 1 july if he was promoted between 2nd July to 1st January." .

Here nothing has been mentioned, not to fix pay for those who have been promoted in the merged grades after 01/01/2006. Here, I would like to state an example, 5000 - 8000 was a non selection grade in almost all the departments, where as, 5500 - 9000 was a selection grade, which is supervisory grade. When an employee has been promoted from one non selection grade to selection grade, with reference to the above clarification, Pay can be fixed with 3% increment.

Senior members kindly give your comments.

Anthony

Dear friend,

Promotions earned/upgradations granted under ACP Scheme from pre-revised scale of 5000-8000 to 5500-9000 between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008 (in cases where the pay is drawn in the revised pay structure from 01.01.2006) will, no doubt, entail fixation of pay by raising the pay in the pay band by 3 % while the GP will remain static at 4200.

For the purpose of granting upgradation under MACPS, the above promotion/upgradation including the pay fixation will be ignored. In the case of promotion earned between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008 there will be no subsequent re-fixation of pay unless the GP of promoted post is upgraded. MACP upgradation granted subsequently (after 01.09.2008) will entail fixation of pay with another 3 % increase of pay in the pay band and new GP.

Anthony
21-11-2009, 09:48 PM
Dear Shri. Tvenkatam sir,

Can you please clarify me whether I am eligible for the 3% increment.

I had been promoted from 5000 - 8000 grade to 5500 - 9000 grade w.e.f 30.08.2008.

Am I eligible for pay fixation ? If so, is there any department where they have fixed the pay ? I am denied of the Pay fixation. I need your help sir.

Anthony

tvenkatam
22-11-2009, 01:26 PM
Dear Shri. Tvenkatam sir,

Can you please clarify me whether I am eligible for the 3% increment.

I had been promoted from 5000 - 8000 grade to 5500 - 9000 grade w.e.f 30.08.2008.

Am I eligible for pay fixation ? If so, is there any department where they have fixed the pay ? I am denied of the Pay fixation. I need your help sir.

Anthony

Dear Mr. Anthony,

My department has fixed the pay by raising the pay band by 3 % in the cases of ACP upgradations granted after 01.01.2006 to pre-revised scale of 5500-9000 from the post carrying pre-revised scale of 5000-8000 maintaining the GP at 4200. It will not, however, be possible for our Administrators to testify the fact for fear of adverse impact from our Pay & Accounts Office.

The SCPC has recommended merger of posts carrying the pay scales of 5000-8000 and 5500-9000 and when this recommendation is implemented there would arise no situation of promotion between posts carrying same grade pay. If a department wishes to retain separate posts on functional considerations, the same could be achieved with upward revision of grade pay of promotion post. A mention in the Pay Rules about method of fixation pf pay on promotion to a post carrying same grade pay was not, therefore, envisaged.

In the instant case of yours, since you stated that you earned promotion on 30.08.2008, formal notification (to be issued) of merger of posts giving effect to the merger from 01.01.2006 shall nullify the benefits of promotion. An increment of 3 % of pay in the pay band on promotion, even if allowed, will be subject to review in future.

In cases of ACP upgradations granted between 01.01.2006 and 31.08.2008 from pre-revised 5000-8000 to 5500-9000 the pay fixation with 3% increment will have to be ignored while fixing the pay on MACPS upgradations granted after 01.09.2008

jitendraacr
22-11-2009, 09:04 PM
Dear friends
Shri Venkatam has very clearly explain the provision of pay fixation on promotion in similar grade which I think has cleared all the doubts. Thanks to him as I am not able to add anything on it.
With regards to Shri Venkatam
Jitendra

Anthony
22-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Dear friends,

In Railways, on merger of scales of 5000 - 8000 & 5500 - 9000 are classified as Head Clerk (Working post) and Office Superintendent Gr - II (supervisory). Now on merger of grades,

a). who will be who ?

b). Will Head Clerk be Supervisory or Office Superintendents will become non supervisory ?

c). Whether separate posts on functional considerations such as these have any implication on Pay ?

d). will there be any change in the designation in the merged grades ?

e). If not, How will the Head Clerk become Office Superintendent ?

I have many doubts, but it may be boring to others, but these doubts will have to be set right, if not there will be lot of clarifications to be issued from time to time.

Anthony

tvenkatam
22-11-2009, 09:59 PM
Dear friends,

In Railways, on merger of scales of 5000 - 8000 & 5500 - 9000 are classified as Head Clerk (Working post) and Office Superintendent Gr - II (supervisory). Now on merger of grades,

a). who will be who ?

b). Will Head Clerk be Supervisory or Office Superintendents will become non supervisory ?

c). Whether separate posts on functional considerations such as these have any implication on Pay ?

d). will there be any change in the designation in the merged grades ?

e). If not, How will the Head Clerk become Office Superintendent ?

I have many doubts, but it may be boring to others, but these doubts will have to be set right, if not there will be lot of clarifications to be issued from time to time.

Anthony

Dear friend,

Every department has problems of similar nature. Most of the departments are yet to analyse them.

As already stated, both the posts of Head Clerk and Office Supdt may be merged and re-designated as any one of these two designations or a new designation. RR of the re-designated post may be suitably amended/framed. If merger of these posts is not feasible on functional considerations and if the hierarchy of Office Supdt is to be maintained, then the department has to seek an upgraded grade pay to this post.

A clear picture on the issue will emerge only after the department specific actions are taken and finalised.

rkumar
23-02-2012, 08:25 PM
i was working in grade 5000-8000 in 2005 & promoted in gd 5500-9000 in march 2006, after passing selection.i became senior to almost 10 persons, who were though senior to me but could not pass the selection. in 6th pay commission w.e.f 1/1/2006(notified in 2008) both the above grades have been merged. what will be the status of our seniority. who will be senior now.selection process was started in 2005 & posting of qualified employee was done in Mar 2006 against the existing posts of 2005. Please reply.

Victor
23-02-2012, 09:34 PM
i was working in grade 5000-8000 in 2005 & promoted in gd 5500-9000 in march 2006, after passing selection.i became senior to almost 10 persons, who were though senior to me but could not pass the selection. in 6th pay commission w.e.f 1/1/2006(notified in 2008) both the above grades have been merged. what will be the status of our seniority. who will be senior now.selection process was started in 2005 & posting of qualified employee was done in Mar 2006 against the existing posts of 2005. Please reply.

In this context the 6th Pay Commission has recommended the following:

Para 3.8.3 (g) - "As a measure of delayering, the Commission has recommended merger of the pay scales of Rs.5000-8000, Rs.5500-9000 and Rs.6500-10500. In a large number of cases, posts in these pay scales have existed as feeder and promotion posts. While the Commission has tried to ensure that the promotion post is normally placed in a higher pay scale, however, in many cases, the same has not been done. Consequently, for a few categories, the erstwhile feeder and promotion posts have been merged. This is a conscious decision of the Commission and has been resorted to in cases where functional justification for maintaining two distinct levels as feeder and promotion post did not exist orwhere the operational efficiency was not impacted or is likely to actually improve by the merger. In all such cases, the interests of personnel in the erstwhile promotion grade have been protected by ensuring that their seniority as well as higher pay is kept intact in the revised running pay bands being recommended by the Commission."

The Govt. has further issued OM dated 9.3.2009 of which para 2(i) is relevant (http://circulars.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02est/14017_66_2008-Estt.RR.pdf).

Victor

RKPATHAK
24-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Promotions earned in merged scales are to be ignored

Ashwani Munjal
17-03-2012, 07:46 PM
Though, the 6th CPC has recommended the merger of pay scales of Rs. 5000-8000, 5500-900 and 6500-10500 in GP of 4200 but it does not mean that the promotional posts in 5500 and 6500 will be granted the GP of 4200. Further, GOI has already granted GP of Rs. 4600 to Rs. 6500. The 6th CPC has merged the cadre in specific cases, where the on merger the previous promotion will be ignored, the employee who got promotion or ACP, will be placed in the next grade or GP i.e. 4600. In other cases, the Departments have to consider on functional necessity and viability, whether the posts can be merged or not. If the department decides to merge the post as done by 6th CPC, the action as above will be required. If the posts of 5000 and 5500 are not merged, the employee granted 1 or 2 promotions or ACPs prior to 1.1.2006 in 5500 and 6500, will be placed in GP of 4600 and 4800 respetively w.e.f. 1.19.2008 with benefit of pay fixation by adding 3% increment. The pay fixation will be done twice on 1.9.2008 in GP of 46000 and 4800, if 2 promotions or ACPs were granted prior to 1.1.2006. Kindly refer to Clluse 5 of Annexure I of MACP and Clarification No. 11 of MACP dated 9.9.2010.

Sricharan Panda
02-04-2012, 11:34 PM
Sir
In one dept there are four posts A(RS.5000) feeder to B(Rs.5500) feeder to C(Rs.6500) feeder to D(Rs.7500). Consequent upon the implementation of 6th CPC, A and B(Group C non gazetted) are merged and given a GP of 4200. C and D (Group B non gazetted) are given GP of 4600 and 4800 respectively. As per pay 6th pay commission recommendation, whether A,B,and C can be merged and given a GP of 4600. Kindly clarify . Thanks

Victor
03-04-2012, 10:29 AM
Sir
In one dept there are four posts A(RS.5000) feeder to B(Rs.5500) feeder to C(Rs.6500) feeder to D(Rs.7500). Consequent upon the implementation of 6th CPC, A and B(Group C non gazetted) are merged and given a GP of 4200. C and D (Group B non gazetted) are given GP of 4600 and 4800 respectively. As per pay 6th pay commission recommendation, whether A,B,and C can be merged and given a GP of 4600. Kindly clarify . Thanks

No, A,B & C cannot be merged.

A&B will be merged and given GP 4200. C stands upgraded to GP 4600. D will get GP 4800.

Victor