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cwcjammu
18-09-2008, 11:01 AM
After merger of three pay scales of 5000-8000, 5500-9000 and 6500-10500 the pay has been ordered to be fixed in the existing scale with grade pay of scale of 65000-10500, whereas the grade pay for all these three grades is the same as Rs. 4200.00, so what benefit a person who is in the grade of 5500-9000 as on 1-1-06 and merged with scale of 6500-10500 has got. Nothing so what is the fun of merging the scales w.e.f. 1-1-06 when no benefit has been given from 2006 to 2008 ? Will please anybody clarify to me about this. thanks

g2008
18-09-2008, 11:57 AM
my dear,
the government already issued latest clarifications regarding merging of scales, so please study the sl.no. 4 of clarification

toy2000in
18-09-2008, 11:59 AM
my dear,
the government already issued latest clarifications regarding merging of scales, so please study the sl.no. 4 of clarification

But the clarification is not clarifying anything. Whether same treatment is to be accorded for both the cases mentioned in clarification. Can anyone illustrate with example.

gconnectsna
18-09-2008, 01:40 PM
After merger of three pay scales of 5000-8000, 5500-9000 and 6500-10500 the pay has been ordered to be fixed in the existing scale with grade pay of scale of 65000-10500, whereas the grade pay for all these three grades is the same as Rs. 4200.00, so what benefit a person who is in the grade of 5500-9000 as on 1-1-06 and merged with scale of 6500-10500 has got. Nothing so what is the fun of merging the scales w.e.f. 1-1-06 when no benefit has been given from 2006 to 2008 ? Will please anybody clarify to me about this. thanks
Dear Jammu
The fun is for those who were in the scale of 5000-8000 and 5500-9000. They get enhanced grade pay of 4200 after merger of the scales. Without the merger they would have got 3200 and 360 respectively as grade pay.
The sad part is for those appointed/promoted to the 5500-9000, and 6500-10500 scales after 01-01-2006. The minimum of pay in the revised pay band is 9300 corresponding to 5000 in the old scale. Thus those appointed at minimum of 5500 or 6500 in the old scale on or after 01-01-2006 now will be appointed at minimum of 9300 in the new pay band.
The merger has been done to address the issues like parity of scales between different departments etc. Refer to the blogspot http://civilaccounts.blogspot.com/ to understand how this supposed merger is actually detrimental to lots of people and beneficial to only a few.

coolgoose2
24-09-2008, 08:54 AM
The merger of 5000,5500 and 6500 scales into one with grade pay of 4200 is the single biggest blunder committed by SPC. In many departments 500 and 5500 scales are of feeder cadres of the posts in 6500 scale. In the Central Excise and Income Tax Department 5000 cadre is that of Tax Assistant, 5500 is that of Senior Tax Assistant and these are feeder cadres of Inspector which is having a pre-revised scale of 6500.

Now consider the case of a Tax Assistant having a basic pay of 5150 in scale 5000-8000 scale as on 01-01-2006.
As per the SPC orders, his pay would be fixed at 9500+4200 = 13780
(FNo.1/1/2008 IC Dated 30-08-2008 of Department of Expenditure, Ministry of Finance)

Take the case of a Central Excise Inspector jointed in the month of 01-Jan2006, in the scale of 6500-9000
As per the SPC orders, his pay would be fixed at 9300+4200 = 13500
(Gazette Notification GSR 622(E)First Schedule,Part A, section II, page43)


What else could we expect from this Group A Centric Pay Commission ?

jitendraacr
25-09-2008, 09:15 PM
This is the biggest anamoly made by 6th pay commission. what was their idea behind it. whether they were going to give benefit by merging these scales. if this is the case then we all can say that they could not consider it juditiously. This aspect must be reviewed by the MoF and they have to remove anamolies arising out due to merger of these three scales.

vkjajoria
14-10-2008, 09:11 PM
I think VI pay commission prepared the report within a period of one or two months without going into depth of the fundamentals of posts and pay scales. Most of the posts created in the different departments on the basis of their functional requirement and organisational requirement. No one can equate these posts to each other. In the paramilitary force every scale/ranks has its own dignity. There are so many other methods to strimline anamolies. It appears that VI PC did not bothered to study organisational structure of every department. The recommendations of 6th CPC shows that they were in hury. In one of the department, CPC recommended upgradation of all posts carrying pay scale of Rs.6500-10500 to Rs.7500-12000 irrespective of gazetted or non-gazetted posts. Whereas ourcounterparts in other departments are upgraded to the scale of Rs.7450-11500/-. Moreover, situation of Accounts Officer in the unorganised accounts services are inexplicable. They are being retained in the grade pay of Rs.4600/- (Rs.7450-11500) whereas non-gazetted officials are being upgraded to the scale of Rs.7500-12000:D. keeping in view lots of anamolies, it appears that government will certainly announce constitution of a new pay panel at the earliet.

sundarar
22-10-2008, 06:34 PM
After merger of three pay scales of 5000-8000, 5500-9000 and 6500-10500 the pay has been ordered to be fixed in the existing scale with grade pay of scale of 65000-10500, whereas the grade pay for all these three grades is the same as Rs. 4200.00, so what benefit a person who is in the grade of 5500-9000 as on 1-1-06 and merged with scale of 6500-10500 has got. Nothing so what is the fun of merging the scales w.e.f. 1-1-06 when no benefit has been given from 2006 to 2008 ? Will please anybody clarify to me about this. thanks

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It is a fact that single Pay Band (PB-2) 9300-38400 with single grade pay of Rs.4200 has been granted for all the three pre-revised scale S-9, S-10 and S-12. However, if we look at the fitment table, for the minimum of pre-revised scale S-9, S-10, S-12, the corresponding minimum of Pay in the Pay Band are varying as Rs.9,300, Rs.10,230, and Rs.12,090. The relevancy lies in the particular pre-revised scale and the particular pre-revised basic pay in that scale, so as to determine the quantum of corresponding pay in the pay band, which is same for all the three cases. But, the Revised Basic Pay that includes Pay in the Pay band as well as the GP for a particular pre-revised basic in its pre-revised scale, will not be one and same.

According to me, initial fixation as on 1.1.2006 maintains the three different pre-revised scales appropriately in accordance with the Fitment Table. However, further clarification to avoid any possible anomaly may be forthcoming. Let us hope for the best. Best Rgds.

medbas
22-10-2008, 07:42 PM
After merger of three pay scales of 5000-8000, 5500-9000 and 6500-10500 the pay has been ordered to be fixed in the existing scale with grade pay of scale of 65000-10500, whereas the grade pay for all these three grades is the same as Rs. 4200.00, so what benefit a person who is in the grade of 5500-9000 as on 1-1-06 and merged with scale of 6500-10500 has got. Nothing so what is the fun of merging the scales w.e.f. 1-1-06 when no benefit has been given from 2006 to 2008 ? Will please anybody clarify to me about this. thanks

Dear friend
it appears that you are right in respect of 5000-8000 and 5500-9000. but 6500-10500 has been upgraded/ revised to 7450-11500 with a higher grade pay of 4600. so there appears to be some benefit.

Further the upgraded scales, should receive the minimum of 9300x1.86 to which the govt. is not readily agreeing. But it has to be agreed because a new recruit will receive the above minimum salary.

medbas
22-10-2008, 08:20 PM
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It is a fact that single Pay Band (PB-2) 9300-38400 with single grade pay of Rs.4200 has been granted for all the three pre-revised scale S-9, S-10 and S-12. However, if we look at the fitment table, for the minimum of pre-revised scale S-9, S-10, S-12, the corresponding minimum of Pay in the Pay Band are varying as Rs.9,300, Rs.10,230, and Rs.12,090. The relevancy lies in the particular pre-revised scale and the particular pre-revised basic pay in that scale, so as to determine the quantum of corresponding pay in the pay band, which is same for all the three cases. But, the Revised Basic Pay that includes Pay in the Pay band as well as the GP for a particular pre-revised basic in its pre-revised scale, will not be one and same.

According to me, initial fixation as on 1.1.2006 maintains the three different pre-revised scales appropriately in accordance with the Fitment Table. However, further clarification to avoid any possible anomaly may be forthcoming. Let us hope for the best. Best Rgds.

Dear friend
if your opinion is correct, what the new recruit appointed presently equivalent to the grade of 5000,5500, and even 6500 will receive. The same as 9300plus GP4200. So there is no difference between a higher grade and a lower grade you are talking about in case of new recruits. would it be correct?

sundarar
22-10-2008, 08:54 PM
Dear friend
if your opinion is correct, what the new recruit appointed presently equivalent to the grade of 5000,5500, and even 6500 will receive. The same as 9300plus GP4200. So there is no difference between a higher grade and a lower grade you are talking about in case of new recruits. would it be correct?

Dear Sir,

Thanks. I have just now gone through Illustration 4B of the Gazette Notification dt. 29.8.2008 involving pay fixation after merger. As stated therein, in respect of the employees serving in the three different categories, will get their respective revised pay in the single PB-2 9300-34800 with GP Rs.4200 based on the pay being drawn in the respective scales. Inter-se seniority will however have to be maintained as in the case of -S1 merged with PB-1.

In respect of Direct Recruits on or after 1.1.2006 to the merged PB-2 with GP Rs.4200, the Pay Band Pay Rs.9300 has been prescribed in the same Notification under First Schedule Part-A Section-II of the said Notification.
Anomaly if any may have to be got addressed separately.

I may be corrected, if otherwise please. Best Rgds.

sudacgwb
23-10-2008, 07:26 AM
After merger, there is only one grade and the recruitment will necessarily means to that one composite grade. There is no scope for different levels within the merged scales.

medbas
25-10-2008, 08:03 PM
Dear friend
See the entry pay table under section II for PB2. under part-A of the first schedule to the notification. For the posts with the exististing pay scales5000,5500 and 6500 with a grade pay of 4200 the pay is 9300+4200 only. I agree that after merger a single composite post was created with a single pay scale. I dont know whether It will lead to anamoly or not. In my view this will be different in different departments and based on the functions to be performed by a post only anamoly will have to be considered.

badri mannargudi
27-10-2008, 09:00 PM
Friends, I read the views expressed earlier on the subject., with interest.

At the outset, it may be seen that the corresponding starting pay is fixed at 9300. This corresponds to the pre rev scale of 5000.(I hope you need not be told the basic thing, namely 5000 x 1.86 = 9300.

This shows that junior joining or or after 1.1.2006 would never be drawing more than any employee in any of the said three pre rev scales.

Now, let me analyse the position of Inspectors of incometax/central excise and customs.

Shree X joined the service(Direct recruitment) on 31.12.2005 and Shree Y joined on 01.01.2006. (See how Angel of Luck has favoured X).

X and Y received same emoluments as on 1.1.2006 to 31.08.2008.( Except for the fact that in December 2006 and in December 2007, X has got the annual increment- one month earlier than Y has got(in Jan 2007 and Jan 2008. Now see the trouble for Y.
For x the under new structure the pay would be 12090 plus grade pay of 4200. ( As per my calculation, strictly speaking X would get one increment on 12090 to start with since two stages namely, 5500 and 5000 lye below 6500 and the three scales have been merged)For Y the pay would be fixed at 9300. ( Ofcourse, the excess granted in the prev pay if any would be treated as as personal pay, but such excess would be treated as absorbable. So, about 400 Rupees that may accrue to him in July 2006 and July 2007 and so on would be got absorbed in his continuing to get 12090. And by the time he reaches 12090 or more, his room mate, X would be receiving the increments unabsorbed( for obvious reasons.). Y would be ruing about his fate further had he joined on or after 02.01.2006).
m Looking into these things, the upgradation of 6500 to 7450 would seem more logical, for the fixation (initial pay, I mean) on 1.1.2006 would be 13860and this would save the day for the poor entrants on or after 1.1.2006 in the Inspectors cadre in the said departrments. In such eventuality, some seniors(joined prior to 1.1.2006) may have to resort to the remedy of removal pay anamoly (junior getting more pay). In this eventuality, only lamentation would be junior and senior are both getting the same pay (after removal of anomoly). Friends are requested to comment on this.

coolgoose2
28-10-2008, 09:13 PM
Hi all

I feel that the rational of merger of 5000, 5500 and 6500 should be analyzed in detail. What was the need for SPC to do this huge blunder.
Have they thought about the effect people who got promotion/ACP in between these scales prior to 01-01-2006 and after 01-01-2006?
My thinking is that this is one segment (5000, 5500 and 6500 combined), which constitute a sizable percentage of Govt. employees and they might have thought they can save a sizable revenue for enhancement of Pb4. Somebody should use RTI to get details of analysis of this aspect from SPC. Any comments?
:):):)

sundarar
28-10-2008, 09:46 PM
Dear Sir,


Dear friend
if your opinion is correct, what the new recruit appointed presently equivalent to the grade of 5000,5500, and even 6500 will receive. The same as 9300plus GP4200. So there is no difference between a higher grade and a lower grade you are talking about in case of new recruits. would it be correct?

Thanks. I have just now gone through Illustration 4B of the Gazette Notification dt. 29.8.2008 involving pay fixation after merger. As stated therein, in respect of the employees serving in the three different categories, will get their respective revised pay in the single PB-2 9300-34800 with GP Rs.4200 based on the pay being drawn in the respective scales. Inter-se seniority will however have to be maintained as in the case of -S1 merged with PB-1.

In respect of Direct Recruits on or after 1.1.2006 to the merged PB-2 with GP Rs.4200, the Pay Band Pay Rs.9300 has been prescribed in the same Notification under First Schedule Part-A Section-II of the said Notification.
Anomaly if any may have to be got addressed separately.

I may be corrected, if otherwise please. Best Rgds.



Though I had replied after seeing the Illustration 4 B, which is attempting to bring to the PB-2, as per fitment Table, respective revised pay in the Pay band for the minimum of pre-revised scale S-9, S-10, S-12, are varying as Rs.9,300, Rs.10,230, and Rs.12,090. If a person got recruited in any of these scales after 1.1.2006, he will be getting 9300 only as revised pay in the pay band, which has been exclusively prescribed with reference to the Grade Pay Rs.4200. In case of new recruits during the period 1.1.2006 till the date of Notification, the same restriction can be allowed. However, after the date of Notification, if a person is appointed, he will be only placed with pay Rs.9300 + GP 4200. This is only a suggestion. I may please be corrected if it will not be in order.

Best Regards.