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APTALARI74
16-08-2016, 01:17 PM
Sir, After 1st MACP, I got promoted to 4200 GP on 02.05.2016. So, there is no promotional increment. Further, for pay fixation, which option out of the following three options is correct -
1. pay fixation from 01.01.2016.
2. pay fixation from date of joining promotion i.e. 02.05.2016
3. pay fixation from the date of next increment i.e. 01.07.2016.

My Pay Particulars - as on 01.01.2016 is basic - 14670 + GP 2800
as on 02.05.2016 - basic 14670 + GP 4200

Kindly clarify also the next date of increment for each option.

Victor
17-08-2016, 09:42 AM
Please indicate the pay details as on 1.7.2016

Victor

APTALARI74
17-08-2016, 11:33 AM
Pay as on 01.07.2016 is basic 15200 + GP 4200 = 19400. (after giving regular increment 530/- against BP 14670 + GP 2800)

suniljayanti
19-08-2016, 09:19 AM
Sir,

This is Sunil kumar from chennai, working in Nuclear Power plant (Department of Atomic Energy). Sir, plz clarify my queries....

My basic pay as on 1.1.2016 was 12460+ 4600 GP. In July 1.07.2016 my basic will be 12980+4600 GP.In 1-07-2016 i am going to get promotion with a GP of 4800. now which option shall i opt for fixation.

First they will give promotion increment then they will add annual increment sir?

1.1.2016 ----------------- 12460+4600 =17060 *2.57 = 44900
1.7.2016 ------------------- 12980+4600 =17580*2.57 = 46200 ( with Annual increment on 01.07.2016) or
1.7.2016 ------------------- (promotion increment )12460+4800 = 17780*2.57 = 44358 == 47600 (Level 8) then they will add annual increment means i will get 49000 in GP 4800 level.

how they will calculate and fix my pay sir???


Kindly guide me what to opt for my fixation in 7th cpc.
In 7th cpc, do we have to opt the date of promotion for fixation?

Regards,

sunil kumar

Victor
23-08-2016, 10:04 AM
Sir, After 1st MACP, I got promoted to 4200 GP on 02.05.2016. So, there is no promotional increment. Further, for pay fixation, which option out of the following three options is correct -
1. pay fixation from 01.01.2016.
2. pay fixation from date of joining promotion i.e. 02.05.2016
3. pay fixation from the date of next increment i.e. 01.07.2016.

My Pay Particulars - as on 01.01.2016 is basic - 14670 + GP 2800
as on 02.05.2016 - basic 14670 + GP 4200

Kindly clarify also the next date of increment for each option.


Option 1: Migration w.e.f. 1.1.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 45,400
pay w.e.f. 02.05.2016 : Not clear at this stage as rules for pay fixation where only change in grade pay is involved, are yet to be issued by DOPT
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Same as above
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 2 : Migration w.e.f. 2.5.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 02.05.2016 : Rs. 49,000
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 49,000
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 3 : Migration w.e.f. 1.7.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 02.05.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 50,500
DNI : 1.1.2017

Victor

Victor
23-08-2016, 10:22 AM
Sir,

This is Sunil kumar from chennai, working in Nuclear Power plant (Department of Atomic Energy). Sir, plz clarify my queries....

My basic pay as on 1.1.2016 was 12460+ 4600 GP. In July 1.07.2016 my basic will be 12980+4600 GP.In 1-07-2016 i am going to get promotion with a GP of 4800. now which option shall i opt for fixation.

First they will give promotion increment then they will add annual increment sir?

1.1.2016 ----------------- 12460+4600 =17060 *2.57 = 44900
1.7.2016 ------------------- 12980+4600 =17580*2.57 = 46200 ( with Annual increment on 01.07.2016) or
1.7.2016 ------------------- (promotion increment )12460+4800 = 17780*2.57 = 44358 == 47600 (Level 8) then they will add annual increment means i will get 49000 in GP 4800 level.

how they will calculate and fix my pay sir???


Kindly guide me what to opt for my fixation in 7th cpc.
In 7th cpc, do we have to opt the date of promotion for fixation?

Regards,

sunil kumar


Option 1: Migration w.e.f. 1.1.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 44,900 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 2 : Migration w.e.f. 1.7.2016 (after increment)

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 3 : Migration w.e.f. 1.7.2016 (on promotion)

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8)
DNI : 1.1.2017

In my view Option 1 appears to be the best.

In 7CPC there is no option for opting for date of fixation on promotion. Depending on your date of promotin the date of next increment would be fixed. If your promotion happens during 2nd Jan to 1st July then DNI would be next 1st Jan. And if your promotion is in the period 2nd July to 1st Jan then DNI would be next 1st July.

Victor

APTALARI74
23-08-2016, 12:09 PM
Option 1: Migration w.e.f. 1.1.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 45,400
pay w.e.f. 02.05.2016 : Not clear at this stage as rules for pay fixation where only change in grade pay is involved, are yet to be issued by DOPT
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Same as above
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 2 : Migration w.e.f. 2.5.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 02.05.2016 : Rs. 49,000
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 49,000
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 3 : Migration w.e.f. 1.7.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 02.05.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 50,500
DNI : 1.1.2017

Victor


Dear Victor Sir,

Thank you for elaborate reply. Sir, I think as per option 3 in your reply, DNI may be 01.07.2017. Please clarify.

Further, Sir, don't think that I am troubling you again. The second para of point 5 of 7CPC Gazette notification is as under:

"Provided further that in cases where a Government servant has been placed in a higher grade pay or scale between 1st day of January, 2016 and the date of notification of these rules on account of promotion or upgradation, the Government servant may elect to switch over to the revised pay structure from the date of such promotion or upgradation, as the case may be".

Based on this, in some offices, Accounts people are not ready to accept three options. They are giving only two options either from 01.01.2016 or date of promotion. How to convince them?

suniljayanti
23-08-2016, 05:07 PM
Option 1: Migration w.e.f. 1.1.2016

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 44,900 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 2 : Migration w.e.f. 1.7.2016 (after increment)

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017

Option 3 : Migration w.e.f. 1.7.2016 (on promotion)

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : No fixation
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8)
DNI : 1.1.2017

In my view Option 1 appears to be the best.

In 7CPC there is no option for opting for date of fixation on promotion. Depending on your date of promotin the date of next increment would be fixed. If your promotion happens during 2nd Jan to 1st July then DNI would be next 1st Jan. And if your promotion is in the period 2nd July to 1st Jan then DNI would be next 1st July.

Victor

Dear Victor Sir,

Thanks for your heartful reply sir... sorry to trouble you once again sir... plz clarify the below sir...

1) as you said, for choosing option 1: pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 44,900 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017

my promotion is due from 01-07-2016 only sir..... but still in my office they are not calling for promotional interview sir... but it will be effective from 01.07.2016 only.
Then, as per your quote

Depending on your date of promotion the date of next increment would be fixed. If your promotion happens during 2nd Jan to 1st July then DNI would be next 1st Jan.

so, what will be the my basic on 01.01.2017, whether i will go for 49000/- or in 1st july 2017 only i will go for 49000/- sir.. plz clarify sir for my DNI if i go for Option 1. ....

and one thing sir, in my office also they are not having full clarity sir... what ever you told to me, plz give me the reference in 7 th CPC Gazette notification sir. so that i can show and explain to them sir... which page it will be exactly mentioned in that gazette sir....

sir, do not mind sir... as i am not having clarity on my pay fixation sir.... by god grace you came to show the path which i will follow sir...

your earliest and favorable reply is awaiting sir...

thanking you sir,
suniljayanti

Victor
24-08-2016, 09:12 AM
Dear Victor Sir,

Thank you for elaborate reply. Sir, I think as per option 3 in your reply, DNI may be 01.07.2017. Please clarify.

Further, Sir, don't think that I am troubling you again. The second para of point 5 of 7CPC Gazette notification is as under:

"Provided further that in cases where a Government servant has been placed in a higher grade pay or scale between 1st day of January, 2016 and the date of notification of these rules on account of promotion or upgradation, the Government servant may elect to switch over to the revised pay structure from the date of such promotion or upgradation, as the case may be".

Based on this, in some offices, Accounts people are not ready to accept three options. They are giving only two options either from 01.01.2016 or date of promotion. How to convince them?

Yes in Option 3 the DNI would be 1.7.2017. I stand corrected.

Regarding options there are two provisios below Rule 5 of CCS(RP) Rules 2016. One you have mentioned in your post. The other is as follows:

"Provided that a Government servant may elect to continue to draw pay in the existing pay structure until the date on which he earns his next or any subsequent increment in the existing pay structure or until he vacates his post or ceases to draw pay in the existing pay structure:"

Based on the above provisio the option to migrate to 7CPC from 1.7.2016 is also available.

All these options are also inbuilt in the Form of Option given in the CCS(RP) Rules 2016.

Victor

Victor
24-08-2016, 09:38 AM
Dear Victor Sir,

Thanks for your heartful reply sir... sorry to trouble you once again sir... plz clarify the below sir...

1) as you said, for choosing option 1: pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 44,900 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017

my promotion is due from 01-07-2016 only sir..... but still in my office they are not calling for promotional interview sir... but it will be effective from 01.07.2016 only.
Then, as per your quote

Depending on your date of promotion the date of next increment would be fixed. If your promotion happens during 2nd Jan to 1st July then DNI would be next 1st Jan.

so, what will be the my basic on 01.01.2017, whether i will go for 49000/- or in 1st july 2017 only i will go for 49000/- sir.. plz clarify sir for my DNI if i go for Option 1. ....

and one thing sir, in my office also they are not having full clarity sir... what ever you told to me, plz give me the reference in 7 th CPC Gazette notification sir. so that i can show and explain to them sir... which page it will be exactly mentioned in that gazette sir....

sir, do not mind sir... as i am not having clarity on my pay fixation sir.... by god grace you came to show the path which i will follow sir...

your earliest and favorable reply is awaiting sir...

thanking you sir,
suniljayanti


At present under option 1 your pay would be fixed as under:

pay w.e.f. 01.01.2016 : Rs. 44,900 (L-7)
pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 46,200 (L-7)

If your promotion is cleared and made effective w.e.f. 1.7.2016 then your fixation will be as under:

pay w.e.f. 01.07.2016 : Rs. 47,600 (L-8) (On promotion)
DNI : 1.1.2017
pay w.e.f. 01.01.2017 : Rs. 49,000 (L-8)


Regarding fixation of pay please refer to CCS(RP) Rules 2016 are available at (http://finmin.nic.in/7cpc/7thCPC_revisedpayrules25072016.pdf)

The relevant clauses for pay fixation will be as follows:

First please give your option form with the first option ticked i.e. to elect the revised pay structure w.e.f. 1.1.2016.

Your initial pay as on 1.1.2016 will be fixed at Rs. 44,900/- in L-7 as per Rule 7(1)(A)(i) and 7(1)(A)(ii) given on p.25 of the CCS(RP) Rules, 2016 referred to above.

Your increment due on 1.7.2016 would be released at Rs. 46,200/- in accordance with Rule 9 (on p.28) and first provisio below Rule 10 (on p.29).

Your pay fixation on account of promotion would be done in accordance with Rule 13 (i) (on p.29).

The date of next increment as 1.1.2017 (if the effective date of promotion is 1.7.2016) would be fixed under Rule 10(2) (given on p.28)

Hope this will satisfy your admin.

Victor

APTALARI74
24-08-2016, 12:06 PM
Yes in Option 3 the DNI would be 1.7.2017. I stand corrected.

Regarding options there are two provisios below Rule 5 of CCS(RP) Rules 2016. One you have mentioned in your post. The other is as follows:

"Provided that a Government servant may elect to continue to draw pay in the existing pay structure until the date on which he earns his next or any subsequent increment in the existing pay structure or until he vacates his post or ceases to draw pay in the existing pay structure:"

Based on the above provisio the option to migrate to 7CPC from 1.7.2016 is also available.

All these options are also inbuilt in the Form of Option given in the CCS(RP) Rules 2016.

Victor

Thank you Sir.

rajasekaran baskaran
22-09-2016, 03:13 PM
I, R.Baskaran, Assistant is working in the Chief Secretariat, Puducherry.

My pay particulars as follows:-
01.01.2016 - UDC (10120 + 2400 GP)
05.02.2016 - Assistant (Adhoc promotion) (10500 + 4200 GP)

Out of 7th CPC option from 01.01.2016, 05.02.2016 and 01.07.2016, which option is beneficial to me. please explain.

soodeep
23-09-2016, 07:23 PM
I, R.Baskaran, Assistant is working in the Chief Secretariat, Puducherry.

My pay particulars as follows:-
01.01.2016 - UDC (10120 + 2400 GP)
05.02.2016 - Assistant (Adhoc promotion) (10500 + 4200 GP)

Out of 7th CPC option from 01.01.2016, 05.02.2016 and 01.07.2016, which option is beneficial to me. please explain.

If opted on 01 01 2016, then
Pay as on 01 01 2016 - 32300
Pay as on 05 02 2016 - 35400 (after giving one increment on promotion and fixed at minimum on the cell)
DNI 01 01 2017

If opted on 05 02 2016, then
Pay as on 01 01 2016 - 10120 + 2400
Pay as on 05 02 2016 - 35400 (after giving one increment on promotion and fixed at minimum on the cell on implementing 7 cpc)
DNI 01 01 2017

If opted on 01 07 2016, then
Pay as on 01 01 2016 - 10120 + 2400
Pay as on 05 02 2016 - 10120 + 4200 (i.e. 10120+2400+1800)
Pay as on 01 07 2016 - 10500 + 4200 (normal increment)
Pay as on 01 07 2016 - 10890 + 4200 (promotional increment)
Pay as on 01 07 2016 - 39900 (on implementation of 7 CPC)
DNI 01 07 2017

soodeep

rajasekaran baskaran
26-09-2016, 10:42 AM
Thanks Soodeep sir,

For the regular promotion w.e.f.05.02.2016, I am sure that one can select to come over to 7 CPC w.e.f.01.07.2016. But my case is I got promotion to the post of Assistant on ADHOC BASIS (9300-34800 + GP 4200) and therefore I could not get increment on 01.07.2016. My doubt is that being a adhoc promotee, whether I can opt to come over to 7 CPC w.e.f.01.07.2016.

please reply sir