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gdd
21-10-2008, 09:42 PM
I'd like to know about the pay and allowances that can be availed during child care leave. There's a lot of confusion whether women employees will be paid grade pay, DA, HRA and TA during CCL. Please clarify.

sundarar
23-10-2008, 05:41 AM
In my view the Transport Allowance may not be paid, as the individual does not commute to Office & back during CCL. Other entitlements that were applicable during maternity leave, may be allowed.

According to me, like paternity leave, the child care leave in some proportion can be considered for male employees also, particularly during the initial period of first child upto the age of three years.

madhuelakkat
27-10-2008, 10:46 AM
Like mother, father has also responisibility in the child care especially when the baby hood stage is over. Since CCL is admissible till 18 years of age, in traetment, study etc. father is more involved than mother in many cases. So. CCL should invariouby be made elible to male employees also irrespective of the age of child upto which it is admissible now. The presence of parents (both) is in fact inevitable in studies of children and of course it has great implact on it and hence both men and women eployees are to be made eligible for CCL.

badri mannargudi
28-10-2008, 06:00 PM
In most of the cases, it may be mother whose presence would make the child more assuring and caring than, the child's father.

Secondly, para 4.7.4 (pagae 277)of the CPC Report may be read. The para shows that the commission was requested for leave for father, too. It appears that the Commission has recommended this facility only to woman ( in order to encourage more women would take up public employment(Govt Jobs )- this is apparant from para 4.7.5 (para 278).

As can be seen from the aforemade observations, it appears the facility is intended to attract support from female G.S only.

May be some time in future the Govt may consider the case of Father, too, in this regard.

One good thing in this scheme is that even mother with more than 2 children is eligible.(Ofcourse, the leave would be restricted to the first two children only).
Even single women should be encouraged to adopt children by extending child care leave to them.

sundarar
28-10-2008, 10:11 PM
In most of the cases, it may be mother whose presence would make the child more assuring and caring than, the child's father.

Secondly, para 4.7.4 (pagae 277)of the CPC Report may be read. The para shows that the commission was requested for leave for father, too. It appears that the Commission has recommended this facility only to woman ( in order to encourage more women would take up public employment(Govt Jobs )- this is apparant from para 4.7.5 (para 278).

As can be seen from the aforemade observations, it appears the facility is intended to attract support from female G.S only.

May be some time in future the Govt may consider the case of Father, too, in this regard.

One good thing in this scheme is that even mother with more than 2 children is eligible.(Ofcourse, the leave would be restricted to the first two children only).
Even single women should be encouraged to adopt children by extending child care leave to them.


No comparison between a father and mother in the name of Child care leave. Always, Mother is the best care taker at any point of age of her children. There is no doubt. Thus, the encouragement for women to take up public employment is a welcoming measure. Our request is that the analogy applied for granting Paternity Leave for Father, can be applied in the case of child care leave also to the corresponding extent.

Further, with the concern for women employees' physical well being at the age of 50 or 55 years by which time, they may have to take care of grand children also, is require to be seen with utmost consideration. While encouraging more women to take up public employment, there needs to be a similar thinking to see them off with more attractive golden hand shake-Voluntary Retirement Schme, (which even the Pay Commission had suggested in their Report for all employees, but not accepted to) exclusively for women considering their health aspects at the last 5/10years service of the date of superannuation..This too can be left to the concerned employee's option. This is only a suggestion in the interest of aged women employees, and it shall be viewed accordingly.

Best Regards.

rsub2008
29-10-2008, 03:35 PM
It is highly ridiculous providing leave for two years with salary for the mother. Instead of protesting against this policy, asking leave for father is another tragedy. Non one have self conscious to earn money for their work. Sitting idle and getting money is a sin. Even God won't forgive the persons who are taking bread without hardwork. If anyone want India to become a developed country they won't think and implement these type of ideas.

SHARONS
29-10-2008, 04:36 PM
TAX PAYER in India are a very generous breed. They can afford more such leaves for mother, father at the first instance and then for grand father and g. mother when the government servant becomes old ! How long, how long our mother India will bear all these dirt ? How long will the tax payer be silent ? How long will the unemployed tolerate the bare, naked enchroachments like this ? Even the Indian Penal Code treats a child above 7 years differently. The Law Commission is considering to reduce the marriageable age to 18 and 16 for boys and girls. The new found theory of Pay Commission, accepted by Govt. is nothing but an open challenge to the tax payer. LET GOD ALONE SAVE OUR TAX PAYERS.

rsub2008
29-10-2008, 05:36 PM
Thank You Sharons. I request all Gconnect Members to think over the issue. Already four and half month leave is enhanced to six months. Then what is the necessary of giving two years leave especially with salary. Those who are getting anything freely will be more happy.Because Indian mentality has come down to accept anything which are given freely. But the impact is more. Can you go on leave in a Private Company for such a long duration even if you are ill? OK. If someone is taking leave for two and half years then who is going to do her work? If somebody is doing her work as additional burden then what is he or she going to get any monetary benefit? Can anybody work for two years without getting any beneft? So kindly enlight public through magazines, news papers and through other media to avoid the wastage of public money.

sundarar
29-10-2008, 10:28 PM
There are similar things to look at the same angle discussed above.
The transport allowance being allowed by removing the existing distance limit of 2 kms. may also have to be compared with the instant issue. A person staying in next street of his office will also get Transport Allowance, and with the quantum of allowance now granted, whether this has any justification?

Yes, with due concern on Tax payers, the six-days a week should have been introduced as against five days. There were the days of six-days a week and people from far away places commuted on their own. The pay and allowances by that time can nowhere be comparable of the day's. Even before 31.8.2008, people got only Rs.100/- as Transport allowance, and from 1.9.2008 all of a sudden, the same allowance got shooted upto Rs.4000/- max. If all these can be justified, then whatever recommended, but accepted to, may also have its own justification from the eyes of the Accepting Authority. At the same time, if one section of the EMPLOYEES are availing certain benefits, the remaining section of THE SAME CADRE will also make an attempt to request for applying the same analogy to some extent for the same purpose. This should not be viewed as coming out of greediness or unreasonable expectations. Even between people retired before 1.1.2006/31.8.2008 and the retirees after 1.9.2008, lot of differentiation occurs in minimum pension that has to be ensured. Definitely, the aggrieved person will represent against what according to him, is due to him. A UNIFORM TREATMENT IN ALL RESPECTS OR IF NOT POSSIBLE, TO THE MINIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE, is all suggested and requested and that shall not be construed as a TRAGEDY, as commented upon.

Best Regards.

rsub2008
30-10-2008, 11:51 AM
Thank You Sundar. The matter given was not to hurt anybody feelings. All types of irregularities should be come out to public and should be deleted. Whether it is transport allowance, child care leave or parity in ACP, fixation of Pay and daily allowance etc. It is the forum where everyone should contribute their feelings so that other members could know what is in Sixth pay Commission Report. Most of the persons never go through the report. They are very much interested in how much they will get? But at the same time, one should not get benefit at the cost of others. That's what we are trying to say? No one object the fixation of Basic Pay or Grade pay. Everyone should be happy and should make others happy.

Best regards

jitendraacr
06-11-2008, 10:46 PM
There are no separate orders on the allowances applicable during Child Care leave. But it will be dealt with by the CCS(Leave) Rules. And therefore, Transport allowance will be deducted for if leave is for full month. HRA will also be stopped subject to other condition if leave extends beyond six months. No other allowance will be deducted.
The purpose behind the leave is to provide better support to a child and it is supposed that our female colleague will take the leave in many spells and not at a one stretch. This comes in picture only because, a Lady was the member of CPC who has also felt the requirement of leave during care of her child at his early years though she is a civil servant. We should appreciate the concept for the benefit of our colleagues. This must be kept in mind that the claim of leave is not a right and controlling officer can deny or postpone the leave keeping in view the office exegencies. This is not so bad as we are thinking.

coolgoose2
08-11-2008, 10:22 AM
This must be kept in mind that the claim of leave is not a right and controlling officer can deny or postpone the leave keeping in view the office exegencies. This is not so bad as we are thinking.

In my opinion, this leave cannot be denied by the Sanctioning Authority as the conditions of the leave is highly subjective, TAKING CARE OF CHILD FOR STUDIES AND/OR ILLNESS, other condition being benefit allowed for only first two children and also before the child attaining the age of 18.

Suppose a Lady officer with 16 year old child applies this leave, the leave had to be sanctioned; the concept behind the leave is good.

I believe this leave can be availed for adopted child also. It would be interesting if a lady officer having one child adopt a child of her sibling/relative; avail this leave and then nullifies the adoption..

Ha ha ha
:):):)

Chief
08-11-2008, 09:50 PM
can a woman employee having a sixteen year old boy avail child care leave for 90 days at a stretch before the state board exam scheduled in MARCH 2009?
Can this be denied by the leave sanctioning authority?

sundarar
09-11-2008, 12:00 AM
Dear Sirs,

There is no doubt about entitlement or a need for justification in availing the leave granted by 6th CPC. However, individual cases, have to be seen by keeping administrative exigencies in first priority rather than the individual's need. If administrative exigencies can be well accommodated, there is no question of denial. Just because the leave is admissible, they should not vacate the office at once. In the absence of such a leave, under such special circumstances, a lady officer would have even preferred to go on EOL without pay. Even that also is subject to sanction of the Authority concerned. Two years leave can be availed during a period of 18 years. It is possible that an officer has a child of 17 years. That does not mean, she should immediately vacate the office and proceed on leave for one year just to ensure that she has utilised the opportunity. Yes she can, subject to sanction. The office may deny depending upon the circumstances. If two lady members are only working in an office, if both want to proceed, whether the office has to be closed? It all depends on how best both side understands the other side better. Leave for the sake of availing just because it is available is not desirable. If there is a real need, yes. The concerned offices can sit and sort out to ensure that ultimately, the work does not suffer for the sake of availing the entitled leave. It is a facility and it shall be viewed as such. In case, the concerned employee happens to be the leave sanctioning authority, what would she decide? Thus, she has to accommodate the leave sanctioning authority's concern and responsibility in ensuring smooth functioning of the office ultimately. Even for all employees, earned leave also available. Still, the leave sanctioning authority had to be got convinced even for a day.

Best Regards.

rajeshje
09-11-2008, 08:24 PM
You get Leave salary as in other cases like EM and ML. Incase Child care Leave is availed in such a way that you attend office even one day in the month you will get the full transport allowance. e.g. if you are on child case leave fron 10Oct 08 to 29 Nov 08, you will get Leave salary on (BP+GP)+(DA+HRA){as on 10 oct 08} + (Full transport allwance for October and November).

rsub2008
11-11-2008, 01:44 PM
Some of our members are very generous and kind regarding the child care leave. Some members have given astonishing remarks especially denial of leave. In Government organisations no body is waiting for approval of leave from superior officers.All leaves are taken according to the wish of the officers. Law may say leave is not the matter of right. But in daily routine all leaves are taken freely. Even if the department denied the leave in future, the concerned person will not come to office until she want to come to office. If the officer goes to court, she will win the case by citing the Government order that she can take leave upto two years. So, denial of leave in Indian Government offices is only mockery. So, Government should bring some rectifications in the order. The two years leave should be reduced to one year and should be without salary and it should be implemented only to children upto 5 years old not upto 18 years.

sundarar
11-11-2008, 03:26 PM
I am of the view that office exigencies shall be kept in front of personal comfort. Again in spite of denial, if a person proceeding on leave, and even after winning he has to work in the same office. But, as far as my experience, we get approval first before proceeding on leave. We don't vacate in the name of right. We see that the office also understands our position, and in case of genuine reasons, office only can come to the rescue in difficult circumstances. Leave is not there just for availing as it is available. It shall be better utilised on needy circumstances. It is applicable for any type of leave, even c.l. If our office knows about our attitude and behaviour, there may not be any denial unreasonably. What may be expected from the office ultimately, instead of this week or this time, they may suggest alternate so that both the purpose can be resolved. Both sides if gives patience hearing and application of mind, there can be no reason why and how a leave could be denied. If at all a leave is denied finally, there must be some justifying reasons, which the concerned office/authority only may know. One has put him in the other man's shoes and think of his position. we shall demonstrate and set good precedences in the official life so that one can be remembered even when he is not there in the office.

Best Regards.

jitendraacr
11-11-2008, 10:26 PM
Friends

Wait, govt is considering to impose some restriction on it. It may perhaps be allowed to those only who have exhausted their EL and HPL and not to all those who want to take it just for leave.

badri mannargudi
12-11-2008, 08:51 PM
I beg to differ from my learned friend, Jitenderjee.
There can not be any such restriction (of availability only in the absence of credit of other kinds of leave) for the simple reason, that almost every employee will be finding it difficult to avail herself of the leave, making the facility a mere offer on paper.
For the sake of argument, if the restrictions are made on the lines suggested by Jitenderjee, then, after exhausting child care leave, the individual will be left with no leave?!
Yes, there may be some restriction on minimum/maximum amount of leave at a time may be stipulated, so that the office work may not be hindered and the Head of the Department may have some room for planning work distribution, in case more than one employee goes on CCL.
With warm regards,

jitendraacr
13-11-2008, 08:40 PM
Dera friend
What I have earlier said is only an assumption and not a perfect view. This is perhaps one of the aspect under consideration at appropriate level. You may say that it is just a rumour which may or may not be confirmed at later stage. Since I came to know it from some reliable sources, I post it on forum.

sundarar
14-11-2008, 07:43 AM
I'd like to know about the pay and allowances that can be availed during child care leave. There's a lot of confusion whether women employees will be paid grade pay, DA, HRA and TA during CCL. Please clarify.

The Thread started with regard to entitlements and got diverted midway.
With regard to restriction aspects, I fully agree with Shri Jitendarjee.
Let us imagine a situation where a female employee had already exhausted her leave during her delivery time, etc. In such cases, the child care leave is in fact a God's Gift. On the contrary, if another female employee already has sufficient leave balance, it is quite natural that as and when she looses her balance, she can better utilise the Child care leave provided the children are below 18 years. Any restriction also has the interest of the concerned employee. Similarly leave denial also in some cases happened to be in the interest of the employee only. Why we are having restriction on PF Advance and Withdrawal. Because, it will come handy one day or the other day.
Let us have positive approach. Such restrictions in reality are going to help the employees not to exhaust all available leave and go on loss of pay.
Even if an employee exhuasted all her leave, and even after availing child care leave may be in single spell, she will be left with 60 days EL that were earned by her during her child care leave (If I am not correct, I prefer to stand corrected in this aspect).

Therefore, the entire issue in this regard may have to be left with woman employees, who may be the better judge in their own case. As far as ourselves is concerned, there are so many issues waiting for our attention.
We may focus on the same to get timely response from the concerned authorities.

Best Regards.

sudacgwb
20-11-2008, 07:21 AM
Friends,

It appears some OM/order is issued regardng the child care leave which includes that who have EL cannot avail this leave and this leave also only with the sanction from the controlling officer.

Will someone give the link for the same. It seems the Order is place in the normal finmin or pib site as was the case earlier.

ss

jitendraacr
20-11-2008, 08:25 PM
Dear friend

You may see the website persmin.nic.in. Clarification has been issued and is also posted by me in main forum.

gdd
21-11-2008, 08:45 AM
I'm working in Rlys. Regarding clarification on CCL, the order says that the employee should not have earned leave at credit. Is ''leave on half-average pay" also included in earned leave. The terminology for leave in Rlys is LAP(Leave on Average Pay) & LHAP.(15 days & 10 days credited every 6 months respectively). Our PB sources are not clear about this. Please enlighten.

badri mannargudi
21-11-2008, 09:47 AM
Dear gddjee

They have specifically talked about Earned Leave only. This means only full leave earned, that is Earned Leave which is done by crediting 15 days on Jan 1st and 1st July.
The nomenclature mentioned in query under reference i( namely LAP)s only varient of Earned Leave. So the condition of first exhausting EL would apply only to this kind of leave.( 30 days a year)
With regards,
Badri

jitendraacr
21-11-2008, 10:21 PM
Dear GDD

What Shri Badri is said is factually correct. LAP in railway is similar to Earned Leave in Central Government and LHAP is another name for HPL in Central Government. Except the nomenclature, all other conditions are same in Railway or in Central Government for grant of both these kinds of leave. No doubt.

jaleelethiyil
15-07-2010, 02:01 PM
Dear friends,
As per present rule,those who performed one day duty ina month will get full transport allownce even remaining days are treated as absent or leave without pay.This is unethical and leagal looting of public fund.Actually HRA is not admissible for unpaid days except some medical ground.

drrituparnabarooah
12-08-2015, 04:29 PM
I would like to know whether special duty allowance (in Meghalaya) which is 12.5% of the salary is deducted during child care leave for 4 months in case of a female central government employee. . Is it the case during Maternity leave too?
where can I get the information regarding the allowances and deductions admissible during child care leave?