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t.krishnasumanth
20-10-2008, 08:38 PM
hi i joined ADRIN Dept of Space recently in d month of July 08. so my pay scale is 5500. after 6pc , i was allotted to 4600 grade pay and my basic is 10,230-00 using 1.86 factor. but in gazette notification, i saw in section II part B, for new recruits after 2006, for 4600 grade pay, the basic should be 12,540-00 but am getting the above figure. so could any one help in this regard. plz reply...

t.krishnasumanth
21-10-2008, 12:24 PM
[QUOTE=t.krishnasumanth;1007]hi i joined ADRIN Dept of Space recently in d month of July 08. so my pay scale is 5500. after 6pc , i was allotted to 4600 grade pay and my basic is 10,230-00 using 1.86 factor. but in gazette notification, i saw in section II part B, for new recruits after 2006, for 4600 grade pay, the basic should be 12,540-00 but am getting the above figure. so could any one help in this regard. plz reply... is no one is there to help me out in this regard...?

sudacgwb
21-10-2008, 02:29 PM
This is anomalous situation and the govt. must come with proper amendment. The fixation vis a vis the govt. order, to put it very mildly is un-scientific and doing that to scientific dept is all the more deplorable.

If however there is a junior in your organisation being fixed higher than you, you can straight away ask for stepping up of your basic to his level wef that date.

Mr. Krishnamurthy, as you have joined after 1.1.2006 and before 1.9.2008, you have to be fixed as per Section II part B ONLY.

Pl ask the administration to correct it else refer to the anomaly committee.

badri mannargudi
28-10-2008, 07:20 PM
These comments may kindly be taken as made out of pure academic interest. If TKMjee gets more I would be happy.

If we see the scheme, 5000,5500 and 6500 have been merged. Going by this the grade pay could not be other than 4200. Unless the department concerned has upgraded the post of the individual to pre rev scale of 7450, there could be no way of granting 4600. What I caution is Shri TKM may face Recovery sooner or later.

There is less likelihood for post with pre rev scale of 5500 to be upgraded to 7450 scale. If for any reason that happens and in our department the same thing happens, then the Inspectors(Incometax and C.Excise and customs) as of now (pre rev scale of 6500) are placed in Grade pay of 4200. The Senior Tax Assts(whose is the feeder cadre for Insspectors) would be getting 4600 Grade pay and well, the Inspectors would find the position amusing, awkward and what not else!

gconnectsna
29-10-2008, 03:21 PM
hi i joined ADRIN Dept of Space recently in d month of July 08. so my pay scale is 5500. after 6pc , i was allotted to 4600 grade pay and my basic is 10,230-00 using 1.86 factor. but in gazette notification, i saw in section II part B, for new recruits after 2006, for 4600 grade pay, the basic should be 12,540-00 but am getting the above figure. so could any one help in this regard. plz reply...
If you joined service in July 2008 in pre-revised scale of 5500 than your pay on date of appointment should be 9300 + 4200(GP). It cannot be 10230 under any circumstances.
Also as Mr Badri says in the earlier reply u can be given GP of 4600 only if your post has been upgraded. However it is very unlikely that the post in 5500 scale can be upgraded to one with GP of 4600.
Yes you may face recovery in the future on account of your incorrect basic pay as well as ur GP.

sundarar
29-10-2008, 09:50 PM
The issue lies in the minimum of the Pay Band and Minimum Pay in the Pay Band. While Minimum of the Pay Band in the instant case is Rs.9300/-, the minimum pay in the Pay Band shall be Rs.10,230/- only, which is the minimum pay in the Pay Band applicable for S-10 pay scale ie. Rs.5500-9000.
After the issue of notification, the scale S-10 become no longer valid. Only the grade pay is the relevant factor for the corresponding Pay which is prescribed in the Notification for direct recruits. However, in the instant case, the GP admissible is Rs.4200 only when the pre-revised scale is Rs.5500-9000, and it cannot be Rs.4600.

Let me give an example of a case of promotee. A person was promoted to a post carrying pay scale of Rs.4000-6000 on 1.4.2008. His pay was fixed at the minimum of the scale of pay Rs.4000. When his pay got revised w.e.f. 1.1.2006 and on the date of promotion, viz. 1.4.2008, one increment @ 3% increment (of Pay+GP of old post) was added to the existing pay and GP as applicable was allowed. The pay of the promoted post was less than the minimum pay in the pay band. Here, I wish to emphasise, the minimum of the pay band Rs.5200/- and the minimum of the pay in the pay band is 7440. The difference in GP between pre-promoted post and promoted post is only Rs.100/-.

If we look at Rule 13 of CCS (RP) Rules, 2008, this will become clear.

Thus, I want to conclude that minimum of the Pay Band is extremely different from the minimum pay in the pay band. The definition of Pay also as given under Rule 3(5) of CCS (RP) Rules make it clear that `Pay in the Pay Band' means pay drawn in the RUNNING PAY BANDS specified in Column 5 of the First Schedule. According to fitment table, the basic pay comprises of
Pay in the Pay Band + GP.

This nomenclature is also creating misinterpretation in the case of Pensioners to decide the Minimum Pension to be arrived at under Para 4.2 of the O.M. dated 14.10.2008. A clarification is all the more necessary what is the meaning of running pay band. For fitment table, there is a separate minimum pay in the pay band and for direct recruits appointed with the same basic pay, there is a separate pay band under Notification. According to me, Pay band and running pay band are different. Pay band is only an identification but the minimum shall correlate with that of fitment table. After the issue of notification, those who are recruited, will have to be dealt with the pay prescribed thereunder.

Best regards.