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Onkar
07-10-2008, 12:46 PM
Hello to All

In the notification The Revised Pay Rules 2008 Part C, Section 1, Para (ii) of the Central Civil Services (Revised Pay) Rules, 2008 it has been notified that “On account of merger of pre-revised pay scales of Rs.5000-8000, Rs.5500-9000 and Rs.6500-10500, some posts which presently constitute feeder and promotion grades will come to lie in an identical grade. The specific recommendations about some categories of these posts made by the Pay Commission are included Section II of Part C. As regards other posts, the posts in these three scales should be merged. In case it is not feasible to merge the posts in these pay scales on functional considerations, the posts in the scale of Rs.5000-8000 and Rs.5500-9000 should be merged with the post in the scale of Rs.6500-10500 being upgraded to the next higher grade in pay band PB-2 i.e. to the grade pay of Rs.4600 corresponding to the pre-revised pay scale of Rs.7450-11500”.

Now in Ministry of Science and Technology, the posts of Jr. Technical Assistant- Pre revised pay scale Rs. 5000-8000, Tech. Assistant (Re-designated as Jr. Analysts (tech.) w.e.f. 24.05.2006) - Pre revised pay scale Rs. 6500-10500 and Jr. Analyst (Tech.)- Pre revised pay scale Rs. 6500-10500 constitute feeder and promotional posts, also have almost similar nature of duties.

This being so, is it straight application of the above part of the Notification that all three posts be merged and upgraded to the pre-revised scale of Rs. 7450-11500 (grade pay 4600)? it is also a point that the posts of TA/ JA ( Tech) required minimum qualification of M.Sc / Degree in engineering

Responces of all of you and Administrator will be appreciated

jitendraacr
07-10-2008, 11:18 PM
As per notification pay scale of Rs.5000 and 5500 have been merged with pay scale of 6500/-. It means there will be no difference in these three pay scale in revised pay band. However due to merger of these scales, pay scale of 6500 has been upgraded to 7450 pay scale and not any other scale has been upgraded. Since you are in a scientific organisation, pay scale of 650 can be upgraded to 7450/- by your department itself in consultation with Internal Finance Unit. For other department approval of MoF is necessary for the same.

Onkar
08-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Thanks for reply.
But sir it is not question related to scales, notifications states that Posts ahould be merged. Scales has already been merged and we dont have any doubt about scales.

jitendraacr
08-10-2008, 11:32 PM
Dear friend, though CPC recommended for the merger of posts it is not going to be happen. All the posts will come to lie in an identical grade. It is for sure that after merger of posts, posts with pay scale of 5500 is not going to be upgraded to 7500/-. Posts having pay scale of 6500 will only be upgraded. What you are thinking is not possible due to various related anamolies.

Onkar
10-10-2008, 11:01 AM
Sir, not only CPC but Revised Pay rules also states that posts should be merged with the post which is in 6500. If the post of 6500 is going to be upgreaded in 7450 due to some resons, the postis in 5000/5500/6500 has to be merged with that.

Similar kinds of posts merger and up- gradation has already been recommended by the 6th CPC and are notified in the Central Civil Services (Revised Pay) Rules, 2008, which may please be seen in cases of Company Prosecutor Grade II- pay scale Rs. 6500-10500 & Grade III –Pay scale of Rs. 5500-9000 posts in Ministry of Corporate Affair; Merger and up-gradation of all posts in the National Archieves (Ministry of Culture) carrying the pre revised scale of Rs. 6500-10500 and feeder post in 5500-9000; Merger of Legal Assistant- pay scale 5500-9000 and Law Officer Gr. II- Pay Scale 6500-10500 in Ministry of Labour & Employment; Merger of Sewage Analyst- Pay Scale Rs. 5500-9000 & Biochemist- Pay Scale Rs. 6500-10500 posts in PWD, Union Territory of Puducherry).
From these references it may be clearly noted that all the posts in the pre revised pay scales of Rs. 5000/5500/6500 has been merged and upgraded into the pre revised pay scale of Rs. 7450-11500 and corresponding to that their revised pay has been fixed into the PB-2 with the grade pay of Rs. 4600.

jitendraacr
10-10-2008, 11:43 PM
Sorry Onkar but I still feel that what I have earlier said is correct. May be some other member solve your problem. I only can wish good luck to you.

Onkar
13-10-2008, 10:38 AM
Jitendra Jee, please dont say sorry. We all are discussing the issues related and emerged out of CPC recommendations and implementation. Its also a issue as as per notification of rules and resoultion on CPC report this is clear that the posts has to be merged, but what will happened in due course is only depends on the Department concerned and Department of Expenditure.

sudacgwb
14-10-2008, 07:21 AM
IN the light of dissent view expressed by one senior member, the point that has missed the attention is to be seen for fair decision.

Apart from the nature of work, there is a strong case for merger and upgradation in the light of clear expression in the Notification when the qualification is same and it is post-graduation in case of science or degree in engineering. The department should take the decision without any delay and the scientist's association, if any, must intervene in this regard. Not doing so is meting out injustice.

vnatarajan
14-10-2008, 08:21 AM
This is vnatarajan from chennai.

Mr Jeetendraacr's observations and comments are very correct and what he has pointed out has to be realised.
Merger of SCALES is one thing and Merger of POSTS is another thing!
The whole issue ultimately may have to go thru some processing including examination of RECRUITMENT RULES, CADRE strength and similar issues.

(As a RETD. sr official of GOI /also cadre controlling authority, i felt these may come up-may be I am wrong!)

(Interested persons can also contact [email protected] or [email protected] who are / whose colleagues are conversant with such grades/ mergers/ post merger issues etc.)

vnatarajan

sudacgwb
14-10-2008, 09:44 AM
It is to be noted that the non-Group A with post graduate qualifications are most affected in the present scheme of things where their promotional avenues are very less when compared to those who got in to Group A posts with non-vacancy based upgradations/FCS taking them to astronomical heights. 6 PC has acted positively the plight of qulified near Group B officials without which they will be struggling in the lower levels for decades. It is pity those who are well versed with the rules and regulation in the administration generally find it difficult to comprehend the plight of qualified but in the lower levels of scientific community scientists. It is to be noted those who are in the administration in 6500 scale with 4 years are being upgraded to grade pay 5400 automatically, as an example; If qualification is linked to their cases how many will qualify for fast tract upgradation?

Magnanimous, and spirit behind the recommendations of the pay panel and the writing in the Notification is to be seen in a positive frame of mind as there are very few ways now to bridge the widening gap between Pay band 1, 2 with 3 and 4.

Even the scientists from b/c to g/z will know many of their findings are due to sweat of the associate scientists though they are in the pb-2 level.

To avoid seeing the possible scope to accommodate the junior scientific community with the marching pb-3 and pb-4 scientists is like splitting hair tactics. Kudos to the 6 pc as also to GOI for giving scope to individual departments to find way and means of seeing the prospects of pb-2 officials.

Unlike in the past, there are very few recruitments in the GOI, and people are stagnating at various levels for too long. Time to think positively and not otherwise.

Onkar
14-10-2008, 11:23 AM
Dear V Natarajan and all others, its nice to show the interest and take part in the discussion. May I request to Shri Nataranjan to invite the experts person whose eamil are [email protected]/ [email protected] to enlighten us on the issue through this forum?
I hope this discussion may be useful for the interested.

vibhushri
14-10-2008, 12:37 PM
It is to be noted that the non-Group A with post graduate qualifications are most affected in the present scheme of things where their promotional avenues are very less when compared to those who got in to Group A posts with non-vacancy based upgradations/FCS taking them to astronomical heights. 6 PC has acted positively the plight of qulified near Group B officials without which they will be struggling in the lower levels for decades. It is pity those who are well versed with the rules and regulation in the administration generally find it difficult to comprehend the plight of qualified but in the lower levels of scientific community scientists. It is to be noted those who are in the administration in 6500 scale with 4 years are being upgraded to grade pay 5400 automatically, as an example; If qualification is linked to their cases how many will qualify for fast tract upgradation?

Magnanimous, and spirit behind the recommendations of the pay panel and the writing in the Notification is to be seen in a positive frame of mind as there are very few ways now to bridge the widening gap between Pay band 1, 2 with 3 and 4.

Even the scientists from b/c to g/z will know many of their findings are due to sweat of the associate scientists though they are in the pb-2 level.

To avoid seeing the possible scope to accommodate the junior scientific community with the marching pb-3 and pb-4 scientists is like splitting hair tactics. Kudos to the 6 pc as also to GOI for giving scope to individual departments to find way and means of seeing the prospects of pb-2 officials.

Unlike in the past, there are very few recruitments in the GOI, and people are stagnating at various levels for too long. Time to think positively and not otherwise.



This is time raise our voice. The decision makers sitting at the top should consider these issues. why people raising their voices against brain drain are not thinking about these anamolies. When a S.O. in scale 6500-10000 can be automatically upgraded to 8000 in 4 years, then why a well qualified person in engineering discipline can not be considered for that.

Onkar
22-10-2008, 03:48 PM
I heard that BRPD has alrady merged the posts!
can anybody confirm this