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Rahul
04-10-2008, 07:26 PM
Hi Friends,

Please share your view & your department decision in the following matter:

I am appointed in Pay scale 4500-125-7000 in the month June 2005 and fixed on 11170 (8370+ 2800) on 1-1-2006.

But any direct recruit employee appointed on or after 1-1-2006 will get minimum 11360 (8560+2800) as per 6PC notification in the above old scale.

My question is, Why I am not fixed on the minimum (11360) of my grade pay.

(2) If I stepped up with my junior which is appointed on March`2006 and fixed on 11360, I got benefit of stepping up for only four month i.e. march`06 to June`06 because I cross his salary in the Month July`2006 due to his first increment on July 2007.

Therefore, I will be only benefited if I am fixed on the minimum i.e. 11360 on 1-1-2006.

Any solution for this.

Regards,

(Rahul)

jitendraacr
04-10-2008, 10:43 PM
This is one of the anamoly every one is facing. It is not only in your case but is applicable in every scale of PB-1 with grade pay ranging from 1900 to 2800/-. It is also in many other scales. At present there is no solution. Hope something good will come soon from MoF/Do&T. Till then you have to suffer along with many other similarly placed employees. Hope for the best.

ashokaps
05-10-2008, 07:50 AM
Hai Rahul,

Your pay should be fixed at 8560 + GP on 1.1.06 itself with dni as 1.7.06. Stepping up is to ensure that junior does not get more pay than the senior. So you should be getting 8560/- w.e.f. 1.1.06. My deptt. has done that. All the best


ashokaps


Hi Friends,

Please share your view & your department decision in the following matter:

I am appointed in Pay scale 4500-125-7000 in the month June 2005 and fixed on 11170 (8370+ 2800) on 1-1-2006.

But any direct recruit employee appointed on or after 1-1-2006 will get minimum 11360 (8560+2800) as per 6PC notification in the above old scale.

My question is, Why I am not fixed on the minimum (11360) of my grade pay.

(2) If I stepped up with my junior which is appointed on March`2006 and fixed on 11360, I got benefit of stepping up for only four month i.e. march`06 to June`06 because I cross his salary in the Month July`2006 due to his first increment on July 2007.

Therefore, I will be only benefited if I am fixed on the minimum i.e. 11360 on 1-1-2006.

Any solution for this.

Regards,

(Rahul)

ashokaps
05-10-2008, 07:51 AM
Hai rahul

You should get your pay fixed at 8560/- w.e.f. 1.1.06 so that junior does not get more than u. Ur DNI will be 1.7.06 as well. My dept. has done that. All the best.


ashokaps

Rahul
05-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Hai rahul

You should get your pay fixed at 8560/- w.e.f. 1.1.06 so that junior does not get more than u. Ur DNI will be 1.7.06 as well. My dept. has done that. All the best.


ashokaps

Hi Ashok,

Thanks for your response.

But, as per notification Direct Recurit on or after 1.1.2006 will get 8560+2800 grade pay. There is no clarification that 8560 is the minimum of 2800 grade pay employee.

I already asked my department they tell me above point. They fixed me 4500*1.86= 8370 plus 2800 grade pay on 1.1.2006.

If there is any order please share with me.

Regards,

(Rahul)

nazir_1367
06-10-2008, 09:40 PM
Hi Dear,
Your problem is solved in 6th_payNotification dated 29th August,2008 at NOTE 7.
Your pay will be raised to that of your junior as per I understand this clause of the notification. Please go through it and accordingly ask your office to have look at it. Hope your problem is solved without any difficulty.

Rahul
06-10-2008, 10:24 PM
Hi Nazir,

Thanks for your clarification.


Hi Moderator & All members,

What is your views on following highlighted line of Point 7 A (ii) of notification:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8402/oopaydu5.png


Regards,

(Rahul)

jitendraacr
06-10-2008, 10:30 PM
perhaps every one is trying to solve this quiz. Departments are taking it "the minimum of Pay Band" and doing fixation accordingly which is not at all beneficial to any one. I am of the opinion, it should be minimum of pay scale given in Fitment Table attached to memo dated 30.08.2008. If it is not the case why the word Pay scale has been mentioned along with Grade Pay when no pay scale exist in revised pay rules.

Rahul
06-10-2008, 10:56 PM
Hi Jitendra,

Then as per your opinion the meaning of Point 7 A (ii) is 5200 +2800 not 8560+2800 in the case of Grade Pay 2800.

(Rahul)

nazir_1367
07-10-2008, 09:09 PM
Dear Rahul,
You are mistaken. I actually mean Note 7 of the point 7 of the notification wihich is at page No 8 . For your convenience I am pasting it here:

Note 7 - Where in the fixation of pay under sub-rule (1), the pay of a Government servant, who, in the existing scale was drawing immediately before the 1st day of January, 2006 more pay than another Government servant junior to him in the same cadre, gets fixed in the revised pay band at a stage lower than that of such junior, his pay shall be stepped upto the same stage in the revised pay band as that of the junior.

Rahul
07-10-2008, 10:50 PM
Hi Nazir,

I understand what you want to say. But this point didnot help me because my junior get his first increment in July`2007. Please see the table below:

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7546/oopayom6.png

Therefore I get benefit of stepping up for March`2006 to June`2006 only.
I got increment on my old pay i.e. 11170.

If my pay will fix on 8560+2800 then I got 12440 in the month of Sept`2008 instead of 12220. This is the difference.

jitendraacr
07-10-2008, 11:04 PM
Dear Rahul we are perhaps discussing here two different issue. One is for stepping up of pay for which Nazir has clarified. As regards my reply I am to say that I am of the firm opinion that 7(A)(ii) means 8560+2800/ and not any thing else.

Rahul
07-10-2008, 11:17 PM
As regards my reply I am to say that I am of the firm opinion that 7(A)(ii) means 8560+2800/ and not any thing else.

Hi Jitendraji,

I have same opinion about 7(A)(ii). But, how will I explaining this to my department. Whom will I represent about it? or I wait for any clarification.

jitendraacr
07-10-2008, 11:25 PM
My dear friend, why are you waiting for. If everone will wait then who will take action. This is a clear anamoly. You may do a little home work on it and represent your case strongly to your department. Atleast you may convince then to forward it to MoF for clarification. I have done the same on my part and wish that every one do it so that a number of representation on this anamoly could reach to MoF so that they could consider it on priority. If we will not do, who will do it for us. Please act. I need support from all parts to get a positive clarification from MoF on this issue. Please do and not wait.

sundarar
23-10-2008, 06:48 AM
Hi Friends,

Please share your view & your department decision in the following matter:

I am appointed in Pay scale 4500-125-7000 in the month June 2005 and fixed on 11170 (8370+ 2800) on 1-1-2006.

But any direct recruit employee appointed on or after 1-1-2006 will get minimum 11360 (8560+2800) as per 6PC notification in the above old scale.

My question is, Why I am not fixed on the minimum (11360) of my grade pay.

(2) If I stepped up with my junior which is appointed on March`2006 and fixed on 11360, I got benefit of stepping up for only four month i.e. march`06 to June`06 because I cross his salary in the Month July`2006 due to his first increment on July 2007.

Therefore, I will be only benefited if I am fixed on the minimum i.e. 11360 on 1-1-2006.

Any solution for this.

Regards,

(Rahul)
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At the time of fixation in the revised structure on 1.1.2006, no junior is drawing more than yourself. From your date of increment ie. 1.7.2006, you will be continuously drawing more than your junior referred to above, by way of increment, DA etc. I would request you to please see my reply to Sundari Nagaraja who had joined with a basic pay of Rs.6500 in February 2006, who will be drawing much less than similar one who joined prior to 1.1.2006.
Best Rgds.

Rahul
23-10-2008, 07:11 PM
Hi Sundarar,

The anomaly describe by me is only coming in Pay Band 1.

You are talking about 6500 pay which comes in Pay band 2. The Minimum pay of Pay Band 2 is 9300 which is lower than 6500*1.86 = 12090. If any new recruit appoint after 1.1.2006 he gets 9300+4200=13500 which is lower than his senior pay 12090+4200=16290.

Yes, I get higher pay than my junior in the Month of July`06 after my 1st increment. But, my question is, why I am not fixed on 8560+2800 on 1.1.2006 which is the minimum pay of new recruity.

Please explain your view now.

(Rahul)

sundarar
23-10-2008, 08:31 PM
Dear Shri Rahul,

I have just cited that there are cases in other Pay Band also, where a different situation prevailing, viz. the junior is drawing lesser than their senior from the date of their joining, which is quite natural. But if you see the query and the reply together in respect of the PB-2 I quoted in my reply to you, you will be able to understand better.

Similar case of PB-2, where a person was earlier promoted to the Pay scale of Rs.8000-13500 after 1.1.2006 and drawing minimum of the scale, just got only 3% increment on promotion with an additional increase in GP Rs.600. His Basic Pay ought to be at least Rs.14880+5400=20200, which in reality is not so, because of the said 3% formula unmindful of the minimum pay in the pay band, which is according to me is Rs.14880, whereas it was being argued otherwise that Rs.9300 is the minimum of PB. I can even discuss separately about these cases in detail after a while to throw more light of what problems is being faced owing to the definition part of Minimum Pay in Pay Band and Pay Band Minimum what I mean is stepping up of pay band of the promoted post could not become possible for want of clarity on these terms. Same is the situation in the case of pensioners to determine 50% of minimum pay in the pay band + GP. These are all only for your information.

In the same scale, if a person directly got recruited after 1.1.2006, he will be drawing Pay Band Pay Rs.15600+ GP 5400= Rs.21000 which is Rs.800 more. In this case, the person got promoted cannot seek to step up.
This is so, because, the Minimum Pay of the Pay Band for direct recruits on or after 1.1.2006 has been prescribed under the Gazette Notification. For the existing employees, the Fitment Table has been provided.

In your query also, the direct recruit having Rs.2800 as GP has been prescribed with a Pay Band Rs.8560. Whereas your pre-revised pay as on 31.12.2005 has been prescribed with a multiplying factor 1.86. These are the prescriptions for two different categories. I wish to add that similar cases exist. I will be too happy if your pay is stepped up as per your wish.

However, based on nationwide representations if any for providing uniform treatement to both serving employees as well as direct recruits, things may likely to change in future. For the time being, you can bring to the notice of your office about the grievance as per yourself. Only thing we have to see is whether any provision is available under the Rules in Force at this moment. In my view, no. But, if amended, well and good. Let us hope for the best. Best regards.