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mmurali68
25-09-2008, 12:00 PM
Fixation in Upgradation cases is exemplified in Illustration 4A [page 63 of the CCS (RP) Rules, 2008] wherein the pay corresponding to the minimum of the upgraded scale has been given as the pay of the individual was below the minimum of the pre-revised upgraded scale. In my case I was in the pre-revised scale of 5000-8000 drawing pay of 6050 as on 1.1.2006. However, my post has been upgraded in the pre-revised scale of 7450-11500 and placed in PB-2 with Grade Pay of 4600. Since I have not reached the minimum of the pre-revised upgraded scale as on 1.1.2006, as per the Illustration 4A, I feel, I should be given the pay of 13860 (as per fitment table) with Grade Pay of 4600 as on 1.1.2006. Kindly clarify.

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jitendraacr
25-09-2008, 09:06 PM
the person who is drawing pay of Rs.5000/- in the pay scale of Rs.5000-8000/- will get his pay fixed at the minimum 13860/-(check if the amount is correct) given in fitment table. Basic pay of 5150/- will also get the same pay but person at the third satage of pre revised scale will be fixed at 13860+3% increment. simimlarly the fifth will get one more increment and so on. Since you have drawn 7 increments in prerevised scale, u will get 13860+3 increments @3% due to upgradation of scale and bunching effect. Dont disheartened, enjoy.

mmurali68
26-09-2008, 10:55 AM
Thanks for the earlier reply. Many in government have taken another view saying that in case of upgradation benefit of only higher grade pay is provided whereas the pay will be fixed using multiplication factor of 1.86 based on actual pay drawn on 1.1.2006. Please comment.

toy2000in
26-09-2008, 12:05 PM
yes, this is what is going on......
Thanks for the earlier reply. Many in government have taken another view saying that in case of upgradation benefit of only higher grade pay is provided whereas the pay will be fixed using multiplication factor of 1.86 based on actual pay drawn on 1.1.2006. Please comment.

jitendraacr
26-09-2008, 11:01 PM
U are right but you may try to convince your accounts people on my logic. I have tested my logic in all cases of upgradation and found that this is only way to avoid anamolieas. On my part I am trying to get my logic vet from MoF through RTI Act but I am sure till I receive a reply MoF will issue a clarification in this regard endorsing my views. Hope for the beat.

mmurali68
29-09-2008, 11:37 AM
Thank you jitendra. Please keep me informed on receiving a clarification from the MoF/DoPT.

balauma
29-09-2008, 01:22 PM
Dear,

At present I am working as Steno Gr.II in the pay scale of Rs.5000-8000 with a basic pay of Rs.6050 as on 1.1.2006 with increment date as 1st January'2006.

My scale of pay has been upgraded to Rs.6500/- from 1.1.2006 as per the gazette notification.

If anybody can kindly fix my pay and other details. My assumption is that I should get my fixed at Rs.12090/- with three bunchings due to seven increments and one increment in the revised new scale. My office people are taking into account my present basic pay and fixing my pay. Can anybody help me?


Fixation in Upgradation cases is exemplified in Illustration 4A [page 63 of the CCS (RP) Rules, 2008] wherein the pay corresponding to the minimum of the upgraded scale has been given as the pay of the individual was below the minimum of the pre-revised upgraded scale. In my case I was in the pre-revised scale of 5000-8000 drawing pay of 6050 as on 1.1.2006. However, my post has been upgraded in the pre-revised scale of 7450-11500 and placed in PB-2 with Grade Pay of 4600. Since I have not reached the minimum of the pre-revised upgraded scale as on 1.1.2006, as per the Illustration 4A, I feel, I should be given the pay of 13860 (as per fitment table) with Grade Pay of 4600 as on 1.1.2006. Kindly clarify.

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mk1969
29-09-2008, 01:34 PM
U are right but you may try to convince your accounts people on my logic. I have tested my logic in all cases of upgradation and found that this is only way to avoid anamolieas. On my part I am trying to get my logic vet from MoF through RTI Act but I am sure till I receive a reply MoF will issue a clarification in this regard endorsing my views. Hope for the beat.

U r right Hope the same will be implemented on upgradation. I am also waiting for MOF's clarification, Pse inform me to my email whenever ur getting any authenticated clarification regarding upgradation and fixation to my email [email protected] . i will be grateful to u.
Thank u jitendra

pummypipal
01-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Sir my wife is a staff nurse and her pay scale is 5000-150-8000. Her basic as on 01-01-2006 is 6200 (08 increments) and her increment month is October. Now 6th CPC has recommended the pay scale of 7450-225-11500 (Grade pay 4600) for staff nurses.
Now as per your illustration her Pay fixation will be like she is drawing drawing 6200 on 01-01-06 in the scale of 5000-150-8000.
Her fixation on 01-01-2006 will be:
Existing Pay Scale: 5000-150-8000
Pay Band Applicable: 9300-34800
Existing Basic Pay as on 01-01-2006: 6200
Pay after multiplication factor of 1.86: 11532
Pay in the Pay Band: 11540
Pay in the pay band after including benefit of bunching if any: 11540 (Not sure about this bunching process)
Grade Pay attached to the scale: 4600
Revised Pay = total of pay in the pay band and grade pay: 16140
Minimum of the pay in this grade: 17140
Revised Pay = total of pay in the pay band and grade pay: 17140

Sir But my wife's department has fixed her basic pay on 01-01-2006 as 16140/- only, whereas her juniors who were appointed on or after 01-01-2006 are fixed at 17140/- basic (as this is the minimum basic for new entrants in the pay scale of 7450-225-11500). Now my wife who should have been given weightage for her past service is even denied for keeping her at par with her juniors. Please tell me what procedure should I adopt now?

Pls help

mk1969
01-10-2008, 12:36 PM
I am in Indian Coast Guard and my pay is fixed by CDA (Navy) as follows for Sep 2008.
Old details:-
My old pay scale = 3200-85-4900 with spl pay 50/-
My basic pay as on 01.01.06 = Rs 3965/-
My date of increment = 01 May 2005
My date of promotion 01.05 2003
Asper recommendationof 6th pay commission and aceeptance by Govt, my scale is upgraded to 4500-7000
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But my pay is fixed as follows as per salary statement for Sep 08
Basic Pay fixed as on 01.01.06 = Rs 3965 x 1.86 = 7380/-
BP+ SPl = 8340+50 = 8390 (as on sep 08)
Grade Pay = 2800
DA = 1782
HRA = 2228 (20 % as B1 city)
TA = 800
DA on TA = 128

Now Mr Jitendar, please help me to clarify that whether the above fixation is correct? Then what about upgradation to 4500/- This fixation is done as per fitment table of 3200-85-4900. You said that on upgradation the minimum in 4500-7000 i.e. 8370 to be given and bunching benefit also. But nothing happened. Can uexplain? waiting for ur reply. Also the special pay of Rs 50 is not removed. It is supposed tobe removed w.e.f Sep 08.

sivakami
01-10-2008, 04:12 PM
in the cpc 4 or 5 scales have been merged and brought within the purview of same pay band. (but with different GP relating to the responsibilites of the post). but the minimum pay to be fixed for a particlar post in the revised scale has not been specified (and it is being taken as the min of the pay band ). only for the direct recruits min pay to be fixed for each Grade pay has been specified. for other departmental candidates promoted from one pre revised scale to another with incresed responsibilites only 3% increment is given and the min of the pay band is taken as the min pay and fixed. Is is justified. can anyone clarify

sudacgwb
01-10-2008, 07:12 PM
Thanks for the earlier reply. Many in government have taken another view saying that in case of upgradation benefit of only higher grade pay is provided whereas the pay will be fixed using multiplication factor of 1.86 based on actual pay drawn on 1.1.2006. Please comment.

Unless the minimum of the upgraded scale is ensured the meaning of "UPGRADATION" is not recognised.

jitendraacr
02-10-2008, 08:44 PM
My dear friend,mk1969
ur pay fixation is not right. but I am not the authority of saying like it. I can only suggest to ask your account people what will be the pay of a person who joined in your scale after 1/1/06 which has now been upgraded. As per section II of notification it will be 8560+2800 definitly more than u, who have already done years of service in this grade. Is it right in any way. Does Mof suggest pay fixation like it. If it is the case, no. of anamolies are to come, who will reply. Try to convince them. As for as i am concerned though it is true that my interpretation seems to be little optimistic, I think it is the only way of keeping anamolies away. Similar situations were come at the time of 5th pay commission and my approach was adopted at that time. You may refer Swamys Interpretation of FR/SR of whatever edition available with you. U may convince your people to get a clarification from MoF in this regard. It may help various others or seek the route of RTI for correcness of pay fixation or submit a query with Swamy's publishers or to wait for further clarification. I am sure it will come to endorse my views.

ramesh.kumar
03-10-2008, 02:48 PM
Fixation of Revised Pay for those whose Pay Scales have been upgraded by the Sixth Pay Commission is exemplified in Illustration 4A [page 63 of the Gazette Notification of CCS (RP) Rules, 2008].

Anomaly 1: According to this illustration, an official with one increment with Basic Pay Rs.3125 on 1.1.2006 in the pre-revised pay scale of Rs.3050-75-3950-4590, which has been upgraded to the pay scale Rs.3200-85-4900, will get Band Pay of Rs.6060 and Grade Pay 2000, whereas [page 43 of the same Gazette Notification] puts the entry Band Pay of a direct recruit appointed on or after 1.1.2006 with Grade Pay of Rs.2000 as Rs.6460 which is higher. Thus a new recruit, who is junior, will draw higher pay than a senior official with the same Grade Pay of Rs.2000.

Anomaly 2: As per the table for the pre-revised scale (S-6) Rs.3200-85-4900 in the Office Memorandum dated 30th August 2008, all officials with Basic Pay between 3200 and 3455 will draw their Band Pay between 6060 and 6430, which is less than what a direct recruited junior official will draw (Rs.6460) as Band Pay as mentioned above.

Anomaly 3: Another point may be noted that the method of calculation illustrated in the Illustration 4A indicates that in Upgradation cases, an official only gets Grade Pay of the upgraded scale and the Band Pay is calculated by multiplying his Basic Pay in the pre-revised scale by the factor of 1.86 and the upgraded scale has no effect in fixing his Band Pay. This appears to be unfair when the Sixth Pay Commission Report and Gazette Notifications talk of upgrading the scales before fixing the pay in the revised new scales.

Anomaly 4: Moreover, if we follow the method of calculation illustrated in the Illustration 4A for Upgradation cases for Teachers and other officials whose pay scales have been substantially upgraded by the Sixth Pay Commission, Teachers with 10-12 years of experience will be drawing lesser pay than those who joined on or after 1.1.2006 as the entry pay of Direct Recruits are much higher. There will be bunching for a number of stages, if the pay of senior teachers is stepped up to the pay of the junior teacher who joined on or after 1.1.2006. No where the Sixth Pay Commission Report or the Gazette Notifications says that for such cases where the scales have been upgraded, the benefit is limited to giving only the Grade Pay corresponding to the upgraded scale and the upgraded scale will have no effect in fixing the Band Pay.

Anomaly 5: The Illustration 4A for upgraded scales and the Illustration 4B for merged scales [page 63 of the Gazette Notification of CCS (RP) Rules, 2008] calculate the revised pay for the two totally different scenarios in the same way, thus effectively showing that there is no difference between merging of scales and upgradation of scales.

Resolution of the above anomalies could have been achieved by having a separate set of tables for upgraded scales as part of the Office Memorandum dated 30th August 2008, by mapping the minimum of the pre-revised scale with the minimum of the upgraded scale and the band pay calculated on the basis of the upgraded scale and increments thereon in such a manner that there is no bunching of more than two stages, as indicated in the Gazette Notifications.

For example, for the Primary Teachers whose scale (S-8) Rs.4500-125-7000 has been upgraded to (S-12) Rs.6500-200-10500, first the stage 4500 should be mapped to 6500 and the Band Pay should be calculated by multiplying 6500 by 1.86 and not 4500 by 1.86, and Band Pay for subsequent stages should be calculated by giving increment at the rate of 3% with bunching for two stages as has been done in many of the tables in the Office Memorandum. The Grade Pay corresponding to the upgraded pay scale should be given as has been illustrated in the Illustration 4A.

Similar is the case for the Trained Graduate Teachers whose scale (S-10) Rs.5500-175-9000 has been upgraded to (S-13) Rs.7450-225-11500, and Post Graduate Teachers / Vice Principals / Principals and other officials in various organizations whose pay scales have been upgraded.

This way a number of anomalies will get automatically resolved and the real benefit of upgraded scales will accrue to the teachers and officials, otherwise only giving Grade Pay of the upgraded scale, the Government is practically not giving the full benefits to those whose scales have been upgraded.

The above anomalies must be resolved by the Implementation Cell of the Department of Expenditure and the Anomaly Committee.

sarkar
03-10-2008, 05:35 PM
I joined central govt. svc in 1991. Got 1st ACP in May 2003 after 12 yrs. Scale then changed from 5500-175-9000 to 6500-200-10500 & pay fixed at 7500 w.e.f May 2003(dt of increment). On 1.1.2006 my basic was 7900. I got promoted on Dec'07 but no refixation was done as i was already in 6500 scale due to ACP. After CPC implementation, my revised Pay band is 9300-34800 (PB2) & grade pay is 4800. Also, in my deptt, 6500-200-10500 scale has been upgraded to 7500-250-12000. What should be my revised basic pay as on 1.1.06 ?

jitendraacr
03-10-2008, 10:17 PM
Try to read similar queries in GCONNECT discussion Board, replied by many our friends. You will get your answer on this issue.

sarkar
08-10-2008, 01:11 PM
Try to read similar queries in GCONNECT discussion Board, replied by many our friends. You will get your answer on this issue.
Please give the pay fixation in details as all the data required is given by me. My deptt. has fixed my pay as 21270/- as on sept. 2008. I think it should be 21940/- as on sept.2008 considering the bunching effect. Pls clarify if i am right or wrong ? waiting for your reply.

jitendraacr
08-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Dear Sarkar,
As per available information your pay as on 1/1/06 should be fixed as under:
7900*1.86=14700+GP:4800=19500/- Add three increment @3% due on 1/7/06,07 and 08. This will be the correct figure of your pay as on date. No department is giving benefit of bunching to their employees due to non availability of clear guidelines on it. Though it should be given. JO LIKHA HAI WO HO NAHI RAHA HAI. BUNCHING KA KOI MATLAB NAHI HAI JAB TAK M.O.F. CLEAR GUIDELINES CIRCULATE NAHI KAREGA. You have to suffer as many of us are.

vikramadg
14-10-2008, 10:46 PM
Dear Sir Jitenderaacr and others,

Clarification order has been issued for fixation on upgradation and is available on finmin site. Our worst fears are confirmed. This government has made a mockery of word upgradation wherein only upgraded grade pay is being given. Let us teach them a lesson in ensuing elections.

pummypipal
14-10-2008, 11:47 PM
Dear Sir Jitenderaacr and others,

Clarification order has been issued for fixation on upgradation and is available on finmin site. Our worst fears are confirmed. This government has made a mockery of word upgradation wherein only upgraded grade pay is being given. Let us teach them a lesson in ensuing elections.

Dear Shri Vikramadg

Where are the order/clarification, I couldn't find it anywhere on Min of Finance site. Can you please send me the exact link.

amitava
16-10-2008, 06:42 AM
http://finmin.nic.in/6cpc/6cpc_pay_fixation_pay_upgrade.pdf